New Hilleberg tent [Split]

[hikingoz]

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Got a Nalo 3 in the mail a couple of days ago. Tried it out in the back yard. It rained all day but I didn't spend enough time in it to check for condensation or moisture. I'm not planning to seam seal it. I'll just wait and see what happens.

I have to say it is the nicest made tent I've seen to date. The construction is great and it pitches pretty easy.

One thing I've noticed is that it's harder to pitch tight then some other tents. Another tent I looked at was the TT Scarp 2 but after weighing my mate's tent with a solid inner and all 3 poles it came in at 2.25kg. I decided to go with the Hilleberg at 2.4kg. The Nalo 3 is a bit wider and slightly more usable vestibule. It is also more heavy duty.

Here are a few pics of both in the back yard. I like that the Scarp has such a nice tight pitch. They are both great tents...

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[ninjapuppet]

I dont have a nallo, but Ive seen pictures of them pitched much tighter than that.

The sag down the middle looks like a nice spot for snow to gather. Your ends look like they're pulled tight, but I think maybe the side pullouts shouldnt go horizontally to the side like that. Instead, I am guessing they should be angled towards the door and rear more?

Plenty of nallo owners here can chip in some info.

[ninjapuppet]

heres an example of a photo of the angles that the side guys are aimed at.

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photo from: http://www.livefortheoutdoors.com/Gear- ... lo-2-2009/

[Orion]

Yeah, those guyouts work better if angled toward the front/rear.

I scanned through pictures I've taken of our Nallo 3 and most of the time the pitch was less than perfect. The minority of cases where it was tensioned evenly throughout were where it was sunny, dry, and pretty flat. It's not that big a deal though.

[ULWalkingPhil]

I think you'll find sil nylon tightens when it's dry, I agree with the other comments in regards to the angle of the guy lines.

My Hilleberg adjusts tighter than your image shows when it's wet. If it looks like it's going to rain through the night, I really crank my tent out taut, while it's dry. Silnylon stretches a lot.

[ULWalkingPhil]

One other thing I noticed when I first purchased my Hilleberg tent a month ago, upon first erecting my tent, looking back at the photos I took, I can see that my tent was less tightly pitched than It is now, I don't know if it's me or not, but I think each time I pitch the tent, it appears to be tighter.

I'm in direct contact with Petra Hilleberg the last few days via email in regards to a small hole I found on my tents outer fly, a small application of SiNet is all I need to mend the small hole, they were willing to send me some SilNet in the post. I'll ask Petra now in regards to this matter and see what she recommends.

[hikingoz]

The fabric was a bit stiff and wrinkly when I took it out of the package. It probably looks looser than it actually was. I'm sure I'll get it tighter with a bit of practice. It was my first go.

The tunnel design of the tent does make it a bit more tricky to pitch tightly than with some other tent designs. I don't think it will be a problem but I mentioned it more as a comparrison to some other tents on the market.

[ULWalkingPhil]

The fabric was a bit stiff and wrinkly when I took it out of the package. It probably looks looser than it actually was. I'm sure I'll get it tighter with a bit of practice. It was my first go.

The tunnel design of the tent does make it a bit more tricky to pitch tightly than with some other tent designs. I don't think it will be a problem but I mentioned it more as a comparrison to some other tents on the market.

Mine was the same, Stiff and wrinkly when I first erected my tent.

Change the position of your guylines and you should be fine.

Here's a couple images of my tent, One when It was new and erected for the first time, the other image is at Fraser Island, It rained all night.

[ULWalkingPhil]

Petra told me since the tents are made in nylon there is some stretching of the fabric
when wet. This is one of the reasons to why they have adjustable peg
attachments - it is easy to tighten it a bit.
Always pitch the tents completely taut. You don't want to have any
sagging when you first set it up. Also always set your peg-attachment on its
longest setting when you first set it up so that you can tighten it if
needed.
I have included a pitching sheet for the Nallo as a reference just to show
how we pitch them.

[Nuts]

I'm not sure its mentioned on the pitching instructions but it does seem to help to get the floor stretched and everything in the right tension if you pull the tent (ie lift the whole thing off the ground and stretch) once the first two end pegs and poles are in place (with their tunnel tents). It then seems easier to do the correct adjustments on the various tensioners. Good tips and looks like a nice pitch there Phil, perhaps you'll find a bit more side/ angled pull on the front guys gives more stability in really strong winds, using them almost full length like that is a good idea. It seems to help a little to get less of an angle on that rear line abceight, a short stay of some sort or attachment to a stick/bush or something seems to tension it a little better.

[north-north-west]

Good thing you have the brackets in the thread title.

[Nuts]

Its occurred to me that I should gather my seemses.. I would replace them with doeses though run the risk of admitting to knowing something as fact...NNW, would you like help with your akto ?

[north-north-west]

I would like to find a way of preventing - or at least limiting - the condensation. It needs a good stiff breeze on it to keep it dry inside, I find.
Hopefully pitching it properly will come with practice, though I still think it's needlessly complicated.

[Nuts]

Yer, its a small tent designed for winter. Using the high low ventilation does work but the setup is not ideal with the fabric inner in most local conditions.
These are (relatively) good value and a better option most of the year:

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http://www.moontrail.com/hilleberg-akto-mesh-inner.php

The tight pitch is actually quite easy and quick once practiced. I'm sure you have the experience (and perhaps size) to work with it but i find solo tents like these all a bit stuffy and cramped..

[north-north-west]

... but i find solo tents like these all a bit stuffy and cramped..

So do I. Which is why the Akto will be used only when weight or space are at a premium. For shorter walks, I'll stick with the Nallo.

[ULWalkingPhil]

Hi abceight, have you sorted out the pitching of your Hilleberg?

[hikingoz]

Hi Phillipsart. I have had another crack at pitching it and angling the guys further towards the ends of the tent. This did make a big difference. I think the material was a little less rigid than the first time I pitched it as well. I'll give it a thorough testing this winter on a planned walk from Guthega.
Cheers
abceight

[hikingoz]

Pitched in below freezing conditions on a high saddle on Diassapointment Ridge near Guthega using snow pegs.

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[weeman]

Did you have any issues with condensation in the Nallo? Did you leave the rear vent open?

[ULWalkingPhil]

I wish I could pitch my tent beside yours, that looks like a lot of fun. Silnylon changes tension a lot when wet, becomes very loose, I crank my tent out tight when dry, that way in morning hopefully it's still relatively tight. there's a lot of stretch in silnylon. I stretch mine out tight and it gives me a perfect pitch every-time, as long the ground is level. any uneven ground and it's a little harder to get a perfect pitch.

[hikingoz]

weeman - it was well below freezing ( -2 at daytime, atleast -5 at night). i didn't bother venting the door or the bottom vent. there was a bit of condensation in the morning but it was negligible. the minute i opened the door all condensation inside dissapeared into the dry air. it was a fair bit warmer with it all closed up.

phillipsart - there wasn't much snow to play with so the guys were not loaded heavily. otherwise it would have looked a bit tighter. we were pretty sheltered from the wind behind some rocks so it didn't matter much. if we wanted it would have been possible to set up deadman's anchors which would have been stronger then just sticking the snow pegs straight in.

snow camping is my new favourite hobby. it is quite fun