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Forestry kills more than trees (WARNING GRAPHIC IMAGES)
Posted: Wed 04 Aug, 2010 1:35 pm
by ILUVSWTAS
Went for a drive to suss out a walk to Esperance peak today, Saw this on my way down.
Made me really sad. I know it happens all the time, but to see the poor little thing knocked physically out of it's dead mums pouch... yeh really sad.
Seems the usually warm and dry winter we are having is confusing the animals into thinking it is spring. Re-inforces the thought if you hit or even see a freshly killed animal you should stop and check it's pouch.
This was fairly early this morning in a working forest, One can only assume it was hit by a truck.
On the way back it had been removed from the road. I presume someone had ditched it off into the bush.
Re: Forestry kills more than trees (WARNING GRAPHIC IMAGES)
Posted: Wed 04 Aug, 2010 1:49 pm
by Nuts
Graphic indeed! Least the next truckie pulled it off the road
Re: Forestry kills more than trees (WARNING GRAPHIC IMAGES)
Posted: Wed 04 Aug, 2010 1:51 pm
by ILUVSWTAS
Yeh I know, I wish they pulled it off b4 I saw it!
And sorry to put it up for everyone here to see (mods feel free to remove) I'd just like to think if ONE person takes it to heart and considers the wildlife when driving (or stops to check the odd pouch) at night, then something good may come of it.
Re: Forestry kills more than trees (WARNING GRAPHIC IMAGES)
Posted: Wed 04 Aug, 2010 1:58 pm
by Nuts
ILUVSWTAS wrote:if ONE person takes it to heart and considers
Good call, i always think this is a valid reason for any post, some things must be obvious to most but sadly not all
(just to say that you are probably preaching to the converted here though... perhaps One graphic image would have done the job?
Re: Forestry kills more than trees (WARNING GRAPHIC IMAGES)
Posted: Wed 04 Aug, 2010 2:59 pm
by stepbystep
Yep, good one Mark more power to you, VERY powerful images, hold onto those pics I've got a use for them.
Re: Forestry kills more than trees (WARNING GRAPHIC IMAGES)
Posted: Wed 04 Aug, 2010 3:36 pm
by ILUVSWTAS
Sure Dan! Your the man with the contacts! Let me know when you want them!
Nuts - your probably right, I just get in the habit of posting 3 pics at a time!
Re: Forestry kills more than trees (WARNING GRAPHIC IMAGES)
Posted: Wed 04 Aug, 2010 4:54 pm
by Phil
Wow, nearly brings me to tears.
Re: Forestry kills more than trees (WARNING GRAPHIC IMAGES)
Posted: Wed 04 Aug, 2010 4:56 pm
by ILUVSWTAS
Yes Phil. I got sad, then angry, then sad again in a "oh this world" kinda way
Re: Forestry kills more than trees (WARNING GRAPHIC IMAGES)
Posted: Thu 05 Aug, 2010 8:22 pm
by Liamy77
Lets hope they miss the rest....
Re: Forestry kills more than trees (WARNING GRAPHIC IMAGES)
Posted: Thu 05 Aug, 2010 8:28 pm
by NickD
Oh how much of a mess we've made of this world.......
Re: Forestry kills more than trees (WARNING GRAPHIC IMAGES)
Posted: Thu 05 Aug, 2010 9:18 pm
by tasadam
Did anyone see
this? Herald Sun -
A million wallabies and pademelons have been killed in a year in Tasmania
Re: Forestry kills more than trees (WARNING GRAPHIC IMAGES)
Posted: Thu 05 Aug, 2010 9:24 pm
by north-north-west
I never read TLMPFSP, so I missed that. It's hard to believe those sorts of numbers are sustainable.
At least shooting's quicker and cleaner than poison. And they should be making maximum use of the carcasses rather than just letting them rot. Although I suppose the Devils and Raptors would appreciate the smorgasbord.
Re: Forestry kills more than trees (WARNING GRAPHIC IMAGES)
Posted: Fri 06 Aug, 2010 9:37 am
by Ent
tasadam wrote:Did anyone see
this? Herald Sun -
A million wallabies and pademelons have been killed in a year in Tasmania
And also that Hobart rag owned by Murdoch so get ready for the radio shock jocks and ACA and their ilk to pick up on this. Heck why not the ABC as they have traded their soul for rating nowadays. When will people understand that population explosions happen and then followed by a massive collapse caused often by one of the four horseman unless controlled by a predator. Possums and wallibies thrive on open grass lands and prior to European cultivation Tassie was heavily forested so this meant they had less favourable conditions. Increase the farm land and they will expand in numbers until out of control and impinge on other activities, in this case commercial ones. Control methods is an emotive issue but unless some form of control is implemented then the only outcome is wallabies wandering around starving and falling victum of some pre-existing illness that normally remains at extremely low level with substainable populations.
Brett
Re: Forestry kills more than trees (WARNING GRAPHIC IMAGES)
Posted: Fri 06 Aug, 2010 10:21 am
by walkinTas
north-north-west wrote:It's hard to believe those sorts of numbers are sustainable.
Its even harder to believe that they are achievable. That's an average of 20,000 wallabies every week for a year.
Re: Forestry kills more than trees (WARNING GRAPHIC IMAGES)
Posted: Fri 06 Aug, 2010 10:23 am
by stepbystep
Brett wrote:Control methods is an emotive issue....
Now when does the culling of the species that REALLY cause the problems begin??? Now that's emotive, but at the crux of all the planets problems.
Back on topic ..... this may well be a series of images that doesn't reflect a problem exclusive to Forestry roads, we all see the carnage on Tassie's roads.
Does amaze me, I have been here for 4 years and have done nealy 60,000 km on Tassie roads without killing anything - I regularly drive country roads in darkness and see animals scattering in all directions - I think the difference is that I actually give a *&%$#!, I see every animal as an individual no less important than you and I, and I therefore drive with this at the front of my mind even if it means driving slowly in the dark, or leaving home half an hour earlier, it really isn't much to ask.
Now forestry of course destroy the homes and directly murder tens of thousands(billions) of native animals(organisms) every year through their backwards approach to clearfelling and nuking the detritus left over. I do feel that FT very much look at the complex ecosystems of our forests as exactly that, detritus.
Justify it as much as you like Brett but WE are the problem not the poor *&%$#! animals.
Dan
Re: Forestry kills more than trees (WARNING GRAPHIC IMAGES)
Posted: Fri 06 Aug, 2010 10:59 am
by Liamy77
Brett wrote:.... When will people understand that population explosions happen and then followed by a massive collapse caused often by one of the four horseman unless controlled by a predator. Possums and wallibies thrive on open grass lands and prior to European cultivation Tassie was heavily forested so this meant they had less favourable conditions. Increase the farm land and they will expand in numbers until out of control and impinge on other activities, in this case commercial ones. Control methods is an emotive issue but unless some form of control is implemented then the only outcome is wallabies wandering around starving and falling victum of some pre-existing illness that normally remains at extremely low level with substainable populations.
Brett
I would argue that the HUMANS are responsible for the population explosion ( incidentally - is there proof that the population has actually exploded??) - responsible for commercially changing the environment and commercially hunting (to extinction) the main predator.... commercially laying bait.... In essence WE ARE IMPINGING not the native fauna!!
I just hope they are or will be doing a lot more than just kickin a carcass off the road to fix up the balance... even if they have to spend some of their "profits"! - Govt. and business!
Re: Forestry kills more than trees (WARNING GRAPHIC IMAGES)
Posted: Fri 06 Aug, 2010 12:28 pm
by Ent
Not too sure what animal was the predator or the Wallabies outside the now long extinict or very shy tiger. As for population explosions and collapses is this not part or a natural cycle our do we suddenly hold that the "poor" animals are outside this cycle an lived in an ideallic world. I sense the deer lying down with a lion conceptual throught process. Emotion is now in high gear yet again.
As for not hitting an animal well I went for thirty years driving long distances at night without hitting one but in the course of week collected two wallabies that broke from scrub and jump straight into the path of the vehicle. People living in country areas, as opposed to the city areas, have regular encounters and surprising do seek to avoid the wallabies as for those of us that do not drive Toorak tractors with ridiculours large bull bars (what a joke) the damage bill is very high especially with modern vehicles that are designed to shread bits to avoid injuring pedistrains.
Brett
Re: Forestry kills more than trees (WARNING GRAPHIC IMAGES)
Posted: Fri 06 Aug, 2010 4:09 pm
by Ent
stepbystep wrote:[Edit by mod : post and subsequent quote not in line with Friendly, polite has been removed.]
Rather robust words SBS and if made by me would support your claim of disrespecting a user of this site but they are made by you.
Conceptual means distanced from the reality of the situation that animals living in the wild will bred until the population is constrained by food and or illness or predators, also it ignores the fact that many people living and working in the bush have a much higher chance of encountering wild animals with their vehicle. Drive thousands of kilometres a week over bush roads, especially on twilight, in a vehicle that has limited manoeuvrability then an undestanding may develop that expecting a perfect record of avoiding wildlife is a big ask, still a worthwhile goal though. I congratulation anyone that achieves such a feat.
I accept and respect people of strong conviction but your post simply seeks to silence opposition by abusing a person into submission or silence using language that is contra to the site rules. Your post is more case where the words are a reflection on the writer rather than the receiver.
Brett
Re: Forestry kills more than trees (WARNING GRAPHIC IMAGES)
Posted: Fri 06 Aug, 2010 4:49 pm
by tasadam
Brett wrote:Rather robust words SBS and if made by me would support your claim of disrespecting a user of this site but they are made by you.
Brett wrote:I accept and respect people of strong conviction but your post simply seeks to silence opposition by abusing a person into submission or silence using language that is contra to the site rules. Your post is more case where the words are a reflection on the writer rather than the receiver.
Brett and everyone, rather than respond to posts such as the one you did, could I ask you please to read this topic and consider its use for posts such as those that do not meet with rule 1 - Keep all content friendly, polite and clean.
Re: Forestry kills more than trees (WARNING GRAPHIC IMAGES)
Posted: Fri 06 Aug, 2010 4:56 pm
by stepbystep
Yeah sorry Adam, you just locked me as I was giving my reply
and my apologies to the forum and moderators, plus a few other choice words
.
Realising my head doesn't co-operate with brick walls I am withdrawing from the debate and banning myself from the topic.
Seems forestry also kills debates
Re: Forestry kills more than trees (WARNING GRAPHIC IMAGES)
Posted: Fri 06 Aug, 2010 7:45 pm
by walkinTas
Agriculture in Tasmania utilises 1,800,000 hectares, so thats 1 carcus for every 1.8 hectares of agricultural land.
Re: Forestry kills more than trees (WARNING GRAPHIC IMAGES)
Posted: Thu 12 Aug, 2010 3:09 pm
by Taurë-rana
stepbystep wrote:Seems forestry also kills debates
Oh yes! As well as reasoned, rational thought.
Re: Forestry kills more than trees (WARNING GRAPHIC IMAGES)
Posted: Thu 12 Aug, 2010 3:33 pm
by Liamy77
Brett wrote:Not too sure what animal was the predator or the Wallabies outside the now long extinict or very shy tiger. {.... edited for relevance}
Brett
What about tassie (full blood) aboriginies too?
Re: Forestry kills more than trees (WARNING GRAPHIC IMAGES)
Posted: Thu 12 Aug, 2010 3:43 pm
by Ent
Liamy77 wrote:Brett wrote:Not too sure what animal was the predator or the Wallabies outside the now long extinict or very shy tiger. {.... edited for relevance}
Brett
What about tassie (full blood) aboriginies too?
Given the genocide of native people world-wide this probably fits into the Tasmanian Tiger category as a rare predator.
Re: Forestry kills more than trees (WARNING GRAPHIC IMAGES)
Posted: Thu 12 Aug, 2010 4:26 pm
by Liamy77
mostly found at coles n purity these days.... i guess