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Postby KANANGRABOYD » Wed 17 Jul, 2013 3:43 pm

As quickly mentioned in another topic last night, I recently had to activate a PLB whilst out in the mountains.
I don’t know how many other forum members have had to do this before, but for me it was the first time. It was an incident of “damned if you don’t” and I will explain:
Another forum member (who I won’t mention, as he has requested I don’t) and I had planned to do a 6 day trip down to Kanangra creek, which is in the Kanangra-Boyd NP in the Blue Mountains, to do some fly fishing. This is a place that we frequent, and know the surrounds well. As I always do, I had checked the weather forecast leading up to the departure day (Sunday morning) and it had predicted rain on 2 days, and some high winds in Katoomba, but otherwise ok. I had monitored the river height data at all the stations that have gauges surrounding and/or that flow into the Cox’s River and other close by rivers such as the Kowmung, on the BOM website. None showed any rise, and the amount of rain over the days leading up to the trip was negligible.
As it started to rain quite heavily in Sydney on Saturday and continued throughout the night, I actually postponed the trip by 1 day, and wanted to see what the weather would do for another 24hrs. There was no change in the mountains, so we headed off on Monday morning. We arrived at Carlon’s Farm at the end of the Megalong Valley and made our way to Kanangra creek via Mobbs Soak. The walk in only provided some light rain and mist, and certainly the ground had not received any notable soaking. At Mt Yellowdog- the last place you can get mobile reception, I once again checked the weather. The rain radar showed no rain around the area.
The crossing at the Cox’s river was around knee deep and with a gentle flow. The next small crossing across Kanangra creek was even shallower, and I thought there would be more flow. We set up camp and had met 2 other fishermen who were camped near us and chatted with them; they had been only a few hours ahead of us on the way in.
Then at around 630pm it started to rain……
It rained pretty much most of the night, but wasn’t too heavy. Tuesday morning we woke up to find Kanangra creek had risen about a few feet but was very crossable. We fished the Cox’s river, and over the morning it continued to rain, but only lightly. The Cox’s had not changed above the junction of Kanangra creek, however below, it was starting to rise significantly. At around 1pm we ran into 1 of the other fisherman at the junction of Kanangra/Cox’s and chatted. Through conversation he told us that it was his first time here, and also that they were due to leave and be back in Sydney on Wednesday night. I asked if they were carrying a PLB and if they had filled out a Trip Intention Form with the Police – which they had neither!. The other fisherman with him was apparently experienced and had been here a few times before. He seemed quite concerned about the river conditions and that they were hoping that they could cross the Cox’s at the base of Yellow Pup. I said to him if the worst case scenario was that you can’t and that you would be overdue for return to Sydney, to come see us and we could if required activate the PLB as a last resort. Now, this is a rather poor situation for them to be in. My mate and I returned to our camp and had lunch and then at about 4pm I said we should go to see them and chat. We were camped about 10 minutes upstream from them and upon arriving; they were nowhere to be seen. Obviously they had decided to leave early, as their window to return to Sydney was small. We walked down to the Cox’s crossing and realized that the river was uncrossable – at least that is what it was when we arrived. We were quite concerned about them, and even questioned if they had been swept away. But I said that they would have to be very stupid to both cross at the same time, and if one got into trouble then the other would have come and got us for help. We returned to camp via the hut at Konangaroo Crossing as they have a rain gauge there, and it had shown I think about 60mm of rain in 24hrs.
It rained continuously until Thursday at around midday- but never really heavy. Kanangra creek had become uncrossable Wednesday. The Cox’s was uncrossable on Tuesday when we went to check for the other fisherman. We had until Friday at 2000hrs to be back to Katoomba Police to report in, but actually we could if required phone from Mt Yellowdog up to that time to notify that we would be late. Mt Yellowdog is 1.5hrs from where we were camped. The weather report had not called for rain the whole week. I, at the time (Tuesday) was confident that by Friday afternoon we would be able to cross the Cox’s, unless it continued to rain in and around the surrounding catchment areas. I WAS WRONG.
Friday morning came, Kanangra creek was crossable but the Cox’s wasn’t. We had enough food if we rationed, for at least another 4-5 days if required. We were in no danger of flood from where we were camped. As there was going to be absolutely no way we could cross the Cox’s, I decided that we had no other choice than to activate the PLB. What choice did we have?. If we didn’t arrive or notify the Police by 2000hrs then they would start a search either that evening or the next day, and would certainly use more resources than if we set off the PLB as it would show our exact location. We were very reluctant to activate it, but had to. We moved to the largest cleared location we could find, which was one of the cleared paddocks of the Konangaroo property, and we cut open a few large bright orange garbage bags that we had as pack liners and set them up on the ground and activated the PLB. Exactly 2.48hrs later the NSW Ambulance Service Helicopter came and we were “rescued” and taken to Bankstown Airport.
We spoke at length to the SCAT Paramedics and one of the pilots, and they all agreed that we did the right thing, and they were actually happy we had set off the PLB early, rather than just before dark etc, which made it easy for them to find us. They also stated that the PLB gave them our location to the meter and that made it much easier on them as well. The PLB is an ACR ResQLink 406 GPS PLB.
It was an experience. I was very unhappy having to activate the PLB and use the resources of the NSW Ambulance, and no doubt a considerable amount of taxpayer money, however I had done everything that was required prior to going on the trip – safety wise, apart from actually not going on the trip. I have made plenty of trips to that area before, and had rain etc, but never have I seen the rivers rise so fast. I found out that the other fishermen made it out (only found this out last night!). It was a learning experience and reinforced the need to ALWAYS carry a PLB and fill out a Trip Intention Form etc. But the one issue that I have is – when should you state your return time/day?. If you give yourself say an extra 24-36hrs just in case you are going to be delayed, what then happens if you are in a real emergency? – You are going to have to wait at least that time before a rescue is mounted. The other thing also is that had we not reported in by 2000hrs, how long would it of been until the Police started a serach - another 12 or more hours at least. This is a difficult situation, however after all of this I feel we did the right thing.
I have attached some pics of what the rivers(s) normally look like and during our trip.
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Kanangra ck at campsite
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Kanangra ck on Thursday

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Re: Had to activate PLB

Postby KANANGRABOYD » Wed 17 Jul, 2013 3:47 pm

the extra pics:
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Cox's river crossing during flood
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the crossing at campsite on Tuesday
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on Thursday
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Re: Had to activate PLB

Postby Hallu » Wed 17 Jul, 2013 4:08 pm

Quite an experience indeed. I think the key lesson here is that even light rain, when continuous, can amount to rivers flooding, making them impassable. Did you learn afterwards how long it would have been before it was passable again ?
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Re: Had to activate PLB

Postby GPSGuided » Wed 17 Jul, 2013 4:24 pm

It's an unforeseeable event but good outcome. How PLBs have changed life out there!
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Re: Had to activate PLB

Postby michael_p » Wed 17 Jul, 2013 4:27 pm

Wow. :shock: I think you did the right thing considering the circumstances you found yourself in.

Thanks for sharing.
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Re: Had to activate PLB

Postby Lizzy » Wed 17 Jul, 2013 4:29 pm

Glad you are safe and well. I think better you activated (even though it would feel terrible to do so....). Perhaps leaving an extended "due out" time is possible if carrying a PLB- if there is a real emergency set off the PLB, if just running late no need for concern until you activate. I guess you run into problems when you can't activate your PLB- like seperated from it or unconcious (but then you are probably buggered anyway...
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Re: Had to activate PLB

Postby Empacitator » Wed 17 Jul, 2013 5:40 pm

I don't have one but I guess this is where a Satellite phone would be really good. Or a SPOT like device where you can say you are 'OK' or 'Delayed' but not in immediate danger. I have a PLB also and I think you probably made the right decision...
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Re: Had to activate PLB

Postby Hallu » Wed 17 Jul, 2013 5:57 pm

Yeah I think in the next few years more and more hikers are gonna have a new toy that enables them to tell their situation at all time through satellite communicating devices. They already exist, but now we need them to be cheaper and more practical. It would be useful to tell the rescuers your physical condition and seriousness of the predicament.
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Re: Had to activate PLB

Postby nq111 » Wed 17 Jul, 2013 6:39 pm

I understand the dilemma. You did the right thing in the circumstances.

Better to get out when things are in control but the writing is on the wall. Doubly good that you saved a search party from going out the next day.

Easy to go through the what-ifs (what-if had a satellite phone? etc.) but you will be more comfortable with the decision in time.
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Re: Had to activate PLB

Postby DaveNoble » Wed 17 Jul, 2013 7:06 pm

Its easy to make suggestions sitting at home after the event - but you always need to respect rivers in flood. Better to wait for the water to go down than to attempt a crossing and not make it. New Zealand trampers can teach us a lot about river crossings - and it worth reading things like their mountain safety manuals and reading the Federated Mountain Clubs Bulletins. The "usual" crossing spot just a little upstream of where the Yellow Pup track reaches the river is one of the easier crossing spots on the Coxs as crossing spots go. Its not worth looking downstream or upstream (although there is a flying fox downstream at Kelpie Point - but it is always locked in my experience). BUT - you can walk out towards Kanangra Walls or the Boyd Plateau - and on the ascent get mobile phone reception (cell phone - no need for a sat phone). So - you could have waited at Kanongaroo for the river to go down - plenty of food to eat (the fish you have caught and local nettles), and sent one of the party up the hill to phone up saying you may be delayed a few days (use the cell phone international emergency number 112 - which does not need reception from your service provider - it will use any phone company that has a signal available) or walked out and hitched from the Kanangra Rd.

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Re: Had to activate PLB

Postby forest » Wed 17 Jul, 2013 7:19 pm

Sound like you did the correct thing. Always respect water.

Might have been a good time to have a spot messenger. I know they cop a bit of flak but mine has been flawless in the 2-3 ? years I've had it. (spot 2)
I have the custom message set-up just for your situation. I think mine says "I will be out later than expected, All is well but have been delayed" I make this clear to everyone on the spot message list and also via an intentions email what this means. ie; high river or even a minor injury that will slow me right down. The google maps link helps too as people can see where your at.
It's a tricky situation though and fortunately one I'm yet to find myself in.

Like Hallu said, these sat devices hopefully will continue to improve moving forwards.
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Re: Had to activate PLB

Postby sthughes » Wed 17 Jul, 2013 8:19 pm

Sounds a lot like what happened last weekend here in Tassie when 12 people from the local walking club went on a day walk and found themselves stranded behind a swollen creek. They too activated a PLB and got choppered out after spending an unexpected night in the bush.
Perfect example of where a Spot connect would be the go. But otherwise what can you do, no PLB will just trigger an expensive search, rather than a relatively cheap rescue.
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Re: Had to activate PLB

Postby Lindsay » Wed 17 Jul, 2013 8:30 pm

Good call KB. A difficult decision to make but the correct one.
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Re: Had to activate PLB

Postby Gippsmick » Wed 17 Jul, 2013 8:59 pm

sthughes wrote:Perfect example of where a Spot connect would be the go.


I'd have to agree. With 4-5 days of rations up your sleeve a SPOT would at least get a message out that the crew was delayed but that things are OK and a rescue isn't required. PLB - either set it off or not.
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Re: Had to activate PLB

Postby FatCanyoner » Wed 17 Jul, 2013 9:32 pm

I've really got to go against the flow on this one.
Firstly, you should always give yourself a buffer (we've all had weather or other issues delay us). For a long walk I give myself 24 - 36 hours buffer. If I was planning to head home on a Friday after a week-long walk, my wife would know not to call the cops until lunch time Sunday. Especially for people with a PLB there seems no excuse. If you're late, your late. If you have a real emergency, you'll set off your PLB.
Secondly, your situation seems completely preventable. Even if you didn't cross the river while it was still lower, you're not on an island. Why not walk out to the Kanangra Road via Mt Guouogang? You may even get reception from Guouogang, given how high it is, but if not you'll definitely be able to hitch a ride from the road. You could have decided on Friday morning the river was impassible and been out by that afternoon. Seems strange you didn't even consider the option.
Finally, there is no way this was life threatening. Forget the cost to taxpayers (you're little joyride would have set us back at least $10,000), you're using up a limited resource. What if there was a more urgent situation elsewhere? How would you have felt if a seriously injured person got a delayed response because you needed a taxi ride home?
PLBs are not an excuse for lax planning. On any trip you should make sure you work in some fallback positions. That means a time buffer for delays, and alternate routes for bad weather. Any one of us could have got caught in the same situation (I was on a 6 day walk a few years back where we had no forecast of rain before hand, yet it ended up being a week of record rainfall in Sydney), but I don't believe the response was appropriate. I'd be *&%$#! embarrassed if I did the same.
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Re: Had to activate PLB

Postby Strider » Wed 17 Jul, 2013 9:51 pm

It would seem the issue lies with the fact that a search would have seen initiated prematurely due to not having an effective buffer period in place - on that point Tim is correct.

However, if activating the PLB was an issue, why did SAR commend the action?
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Re: Had to activate PLB

Postby FatCanyoner » Wed 17 Jul, 2013 10:14 pm

Strider wrote:If activating the PLB was an issue, why did SAR commend the action?


I'm assuming they commended the decision because a search would likely have commenced anyway (although from my experience with those police PLBs, they leave a buffer before starting a search). My criticisms lie in letting it get to the point where that action had to be taken.

A lack of proper preparation (giving yourself a time buffer) and failure to consider an alternative (walk out to Kanangra Rd on Thursday or Friday) are why it got to that situation. As experienced walkers, those seem like pretty amateurish oversights to me.

For me, a rescue is only for life and death situations. I couldn't live with myself if I found out some poor bugger in a rural car crash died because they didn't get treatment quickly at the same time a chopper was up in the air giving me a joy ride home. Those resources are very limited, and cover huge areas of the state. They are not limitless. Hopefully no one was inconvenienced because this 'rescue' was taking place.

I guess it all comes down to the fact that I'm a believer in taking personal responsibility for my own actions, not pushing the button for help because of my own basic failings. It's a call we all have to make individually. The potential consequences are also things we all have to live with individually.
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Re: Had to activate PLB

Postby GPSGuided » Wed 17 Jul, 2013 10:17 pm

Curious. What's the police's SOP on walkers who have not reported back after their scheduled time? Does anyone know?
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Re: Had to activate PLB

Postby FatCanyoner » Wed 17 Jul, 2013 10:26 pm

GPSGuided wrote:Curious. What's the police's SOP on walkers who have not reported back after their scheduled time? Does anyone know?


Not sure what there current practice is, but in about 2009 I did a three day walk with a PLB from Katoomba Police Station. I was tired on the way home and forgot to drop back to the station. They rang me mid-morning the next day. I assume the standard practice is still to try and make contact first, before starting a search. I imagine they also leave a bit of a time buffer, as they did in my case, because they'd assume that if you were in trouble you'd set off the PLB. Interested to know if anyone has info on what the current arrangement is. And does it change depending on whether you get your PLB from Police or NPWS?
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Re: Had to activate PLB

Postby GPSGuided » Wed 17 Jul, 2013 10:38 pm

Thanks FC! It makes sense for them to leave a time buffer before getting excited. But it would be useful for us to roughly know what that buffer is.
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Re: Had to activate PLB

Postby KANANGRABOYD » Wed 17 Jul, 2013 10:42 pm

FatCanyoner wrote:
GPSGuided wrote:Curious. What's the police's SOP on walkers who have not reported back after their scheduled time? Does anyone know?


Not sure what there current practice is, but in about 2009 I did a three day walk with a PLB from Katoomba Police Station. I was tired on the way home and forgot to drop back to the station. They rang me mid-morning the next day. I assume the standard practice is still to try and make contact first, before starting a search. I imagine they also leave a bit of a time buffer, as they did in my case, because they'd assume that if you were in trouble you'd set off the PLB. Interested to know if anyone has info on what the current arrangement is. And does it change depending on whether you get your PLB from Police or NPWS?

Hi FC,
Thanks for your post!.
It was my own personal PLB.
In the past when I had borrowed one of their PLB's and was late by a few hours, they had already called my wife ( name left on TIF).
Just to let you know, when I was at Bankstown AP talking with the Ambos/pilots the Police called ( not Katoomba ) and asked a few questions but they said we did the right thing. I had assumed after everything that Katoomba were made aware, but they hadn't. My mate called them to let them know what happened ( this was I guess 3 hrs after getting to Bankstown, after I suggested it ). Then the next evening my mate was called at home to see if we had returned from our trip!!!!, as apparently the policeman he had spoken to hadn't passed on any info the previous day!!!.
You might be right with the "buffer" et al, however if you do that and then something happens and you are unable to activate a PLB then what???.
I'm also glad you mention that I (we) lacked proper preperation! - well that's your opinion, and at the time I felt I had done pretty much everything I could do prior to the trip ( apart from actually not going), and unlike yourself - I haven't scoured every inch of KB NP, so going out through those other ways was not an option for us.
I was EXTREMELY reluctant to activate PLB, but I am glad I did. In all I think it was a valuable learning experience, and hopefully won't happen again, however it sounds to me like you are assuming we were irresponsible!?, which that is/was the last thing we were/are. I was WELL AWARE of the consequences of using those resources, and it was definately NOT a "joy ride" as you state. If I am wrong, then please accept my apology. Unfortunately at the time those things you mentioned were not an option to us. My mate and I also will be donating a considerable amount of money to the NSW Ambulance service.
Thanks for your replies on the post,
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Re: Had to activate PLB

Postby GPSGuided » Wed 17 Jul, 2013 11:12 pm

Another question. Did the chopper crew wait for you guys to pack up camp and take your gear? Or did they only take your physical beings?
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Re: Had to activate PLB

Postby FatCanyoner » Wed 17 Jul, 2013 11:23 pm

KANANGRABOYD wrote:You might be right with the "buffer" et al, however if you do that and then something happens and you are unable to activate a PLB then what???


What are the odds of both people being incapacitated? Plus, for a long walk, the same could be said if you're injured early in the trip. I'm yet to hear any stories of someone who had died in the bush, having a PLB but not having set it off. I'm happy to stand corrected, but I'd suggest it is extremely unlikely. The only scenario I can see as being possible is a solo trip.

KANANGRABOYD wrote:I haven't scoured every inch of KB NP, so going out through those other ways was not an option for us.


I don't agree. Part of proper preparation is having a general idea of the region you are going too, including alternate routes if needed. On longer walks I rarely stick to a set route. It changes depending on the speed of the group, minor injuries, weather, general interest, curiosity etc. If you have maps it's no real issue.

I just reread your original post. I assumed Kanangra Ck was impassible too, but you actually wrote: "Friday morning came, Kanangra creek was crossable but the Cox’s wasn’t." If Kanangra Ck was crossable, that means you could simply follow the K2K track to Kanangra Walls. I'm curious why you didn't consider that. It's definitely a realistic option. Not only is there phone reception around Kanangra Tops (especially if you are with Telstra), but there's a regular stream of visitors who could give you a lift out. Did you guys consider this an alternative, or did you see recrossing the Coxs as the only possible exit?

KANANGRABOYD wrote:My mate and I also will be donating a considerable amount of money to the NSW Ambulance service.


While I completely oppose any government move to a 'user pays' system for rescues (the last thing we need is a disincentive for young / poorer people to get outdoors), I think this is a good move. For those of us who have the resources to repay some of the assistance we receive it's a great gesture. It also means more resources available for future. Another alternative to giving it to the Ambos might be to kick some money in for PLBs so the TREK program can be expanded to a new area.
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Re: Had to activate PLB

Postby bernieq » Wed 17 Jul, 2013 11:54 pm

Earlier this year I put just this scenario to AMSA and asked what they advised re activating the PLB. So as to not misrepresent AMSA, I’ll include their response in full (apologies for the long post)

Here’s my email to AMSA :
I would like advice on the following question relating to activation of a PLB.

A group is walking in a remote area (no mobile phone coverage). The group has left detailed information with a reliable person, including date and time by which contact should have been made at the end of the walk (the drop-dead time).

Although no critical injuries, the group is overdue in contacting the reliable person as planned and the 'drop-dead' time has been reached.

Should the group activate the PLB?

1. no critical injuries, so immediate answer might be NO, don't activate PLB.
2. however, the group is aware that the reliable person will now be alerting authorities that the group is overdue and past the 'drop-dead' time. Presumably, activating the PLB would make it easier/faster for Search & Rescue to locate the group and receive the information that there are no critical issues. So, YES, activate PLB.


and AMSA’s reply :

Thank you for your email and my apologies for the delay in response.

Please be advised that the use of a PLB should only be used if the holder/group believes they are in a life threatening situation/imminent danger and as a last resort after all verbal communication has been exhausted.

As you indicated you travel in an area out of mobile range, however leave your details with a ‘reliable person’ that has your contact details/details of your travel, then this ‘reliable person’ should be noted as your primary emergency contact in your registered beacon account.
A comment can also be noted in your online register that your first emergency contact has the details of your whereabouts and trip details.

You can also note trip details and upload a comprehensive itinerary in your online account on the AMSA website (http://www.amsa.gov.au/beacons)

When Bushwalking and travelling on land, also lodge trip details with the local Police in the area you are travelling, as they will be contacted and tasked by AMSA SAR if your beacon was activated. The reason I mention this is in the event the PLB is activated, once AMSA SAR receive the satellite signal they can search the registered Beacon Hex Id and access your registered details to attempt to make contact with yourself or your listed emergency contacts to determine the distress situation, which is why registering trip details is of great assistance to Search & Rescue.

The Bushwalking group may find it of assistance to bring a Satellite Phone along with them if they need to alert the ‘reliable person’ when they will not be returning by drop-dead times, however as you mentioned the ‘reliable person’ would contact Authorities/Police to advise the group had not returned, this would be the most effective response to look for the Bushwalking group, as AMSA would task the same response.

Only if the group is in a distress situation would it be appropriate for them to activate the beacon for AMSA SAR to pick up the detection.

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Re: Had to activate PLB

Postby DaveNoble » Wed 17 Jul, 2013 11:59 pm

I tend to agree with Tim. Any bushwalker that ventures into that area should be able to walk out via other routes as a minimum (and carry suitable maps - either paper or electronic - to enable them to do this). I would regard this as a very basic bushwalking skill - navigation and route finding off track.

As I said above - you will get mobile phone reception from high points above Kanongaroo - certainly from Mt Guouogang or Mt Cloudmaker - these are only a few hours walk away.

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Re: Had to activate PLB

Postby bernieq » Thu 18 Jul, 2013 12:03 am

AMSA makes it very clear that a PLB should only be activated in life-threatening situations. Yet, SAR and Police have said ‘well done’ to Kanangraboyd for this activation – how to reconcile the two?

IMO, the difference arises because of the different areas of responsibility.
AMSA have the responsibility to monitor the frequencies and task SaR, providing the relevant PLB info (time, location, data from PLB record). They don’t want to be distracted by non-emergency situations (so, not life threatening? don’t activate PLB)

SAR/Police have the responsibility to go and search. They deploy the resources. They want to run the search as efficiently as possible (so, activate PLB so they can find you quickly).

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Re: Had to activate PLB

Postby Strider » Thu 18 Jul, 2013 12:06 am

You've highlighted some interesting confounds there Bernie.
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Re: Had to activate PLB

Postby bernieq » Thu 18 Jul, 2013 12:14 am

Personally, I think AMSA's policy is flawed. I'm awaiting a policy-level response to a follow-up email.

BTW, whilst it's good to advise local Police of your trip plans, the OIC changes with each shift and your trip plans won't be the most important piece of info in the hand-over.

You should always leave trip details (and the drop-dead time) with a trusted contact (friend/spouse etc) and maintain the PLB record so AMSA can pass the info to SAR. Really useful to Police and SAR is the rego and location of your car - the first task will be to check if it's still there (if yes, then the search is on in earnest).

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Re: Had to activate PLB

Postby GPSGuided » Thu 18 Jul, 2013 12:22 am

+1 on Bernie.

I think there's a third, the subject. Risk is perceived differently by all and varies by experiences and circumstances. At the end of the day, it's the individual's call. To any police or ambo officer, the last thing they want is a lost or dead person. Early notification and controlled extraction is always good.
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Re: Had to activate PLB

Postby michael_p » Thu 18 Jul, 2013 1:00 am

bernieq wrote:Really useful to Police and SAR is the rego and location of your car - the first task will be to check if it's still there (if yes, then the search is on in earnest).

I can confirm this is a good idea. A friend of mine was lost in the RNP (Yeah, I know. You wouldn't believe how easily he got lost but that is another thread altogether). I answered a call from the police at 10:30pm and the first question the sergeant asked was where would he have parked. The first thing the police did was too try and find his car. Once they found his car they then knew where to at least start the search from.
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