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Thu 07 Jul, 2011 6:59 pm
Admin Edit: This topic has been split from New Thermarest Neoair AllSeason looks promising
Nuts
I do realise that there is some "comedy value" looking at those videos but at the same time I really don't think that taking notice of or laughing at someone that has an obvious condition is all that funny or clever.
The crossing poles on the Scarps and the Moment are meant to hold the fabric up during a snow fall, not to give the shelters a more rigid structure.
The tents will still flex, maybe less, but do not relay on that.
Do keep in mind that the Scarp evolved over about 4 years and in that time we kept an eye on comments on and performance of similar shelters.
Apart from that , when TT will launch new shelters, it will not be because we are waiting for the others to slow down in sales but because the new ones will be in production, just like most other brands...
BTW, I am airing a different point of view. There is no point of having a forum if we all agree about everything.
Franco
Nuts
I do realise that there is some "comedy value" looking at those videos but at the same time I really don't think that taking notice of or laughing at someone that has an obvious condition is all that funny or clever.
The crossing poles on the Scarps and the Moment are meant to hold the fabric up during a snow fall, not to give the shelters a more rigid structure.
The tents will still flex, maybe less, but do not relay on that.
Do keep in mind that the Scarp evolved over about 4 years and in that time we kept an eye on comments on and performance of similar shelters.
Apart from that , when TT will launch new shelters, it will not be because we are waiting for the others to slow down in sales but because the new ones will be in production, just like most other brands...
BTW, I am airing a different point of view. There is no point of having a forum if we all agree about everything.
Franco
Re: New Thermarest Neoair AllSeason looks promising
Thu 07 Jul, 2011 7:58 pm
I was partly having a chuckle at his 'hoky' ways as well as laughing along with him. An 'obvious' condition, are you talking drug psychosis? I saw that comment by a 'health professional' based on his couple of short vids and put it in the basket with the snob who suggested he had stolen his gear from cars at the park. I couldn't care if his dreads were pink or what personal problems he might 'actually' have, (stick with the iriver tip as an example) he has some valid points... brushed aside on bpl with smart *&%$#! personal attacks based on his appearance.
Yes, and its usually good to see the input you give, usually a fair bit more articulate than me...lots of people have come and gone from here for far less than any angst i may cause you, and that would be a shame. I see your comments on that other site and think they would be good to add here (ive likely used some or had my thoughts shaped by them) Its easy to assume you have a fix on someone based on just a few paragraphs. Myself i'm actually (mostly) fairly chilled out and reserved (in real life). Sometimes 'Frankness' can bring out interesting answers though
So.. now im thinking; trouble is (down here), strong winds. I guess the scarp will act almost as well as the Akto (without poles) in strong winds. In snow it would be likely better with the end strutts, fair enough. So given the usual snow mixed with howling winds and planning what to carry, when would one ever be sure when to add the poles, altering the performance in wind on the chance that the winds die down and the snow gets heavier (like often happens down here). I can see it as a better option in heavy snow but not so good (in that setup) in strong wind... which is why i thought adding the poles was bs (without doing a proper job with pole sleeves etc like other 'rigid' cross pole tents), just thoughts.
All this is getting off topic i guess..
Franco wrote:BTW, I am airing a different point of view. There is no point of having a forum if we all agree about everything.
Franco
Yes, and its usually good to see the input you give, usually a fair bit more articulate than me...lots of people have come and gone from here for far less than any angst i may cause you, and that would be a shame. I see your comments on that other site and think they would be good to add here (ive likely used some or had my thoughts shaped by them) Its easy to assume you have a fix on someone based on just a few paragraphs. Myself i'm actually (mostly) fairly chilled out and reserved (in real life). Sometimes 'Frankness' can bring out interesting answers though
So.. now im thinking; trouble is (down here), strong winds. I guess the scarp will act almost as well as the Akto (without poles) in strong winds. In snow it would be likely better with the end strutts, fair enough. So given the usual snow mixed with howling winds and planning what to carry, when would one ever be sure when to add the poles, altering the performance in wind on the chance that the winds die down and the snow gets heavier (like often happens down here). I can see it as a better option in heavy snow but not so good (in that setup) in strong wind... which is why i thought adding the poles was bs (without doing a proper job with pole sleeves etc like other 'rigid' cross pole tents), just thoughts.
All this is getting off topic i guess..
Re: New Thermarest Neoair AllSeason looks promising
Fri 08 Jul, 2011 8:21 am
Anyone that talks about Tarptents in a Thermarest thread is OK by me...
Briefly. the poles float on the Scarps, they are not anchored down at the corner, so they can and do hold the fly up under some decent amount of snow but still let the frame flex in the wind.
(I have only had mine on top of snow, not under...)
Back to Thermarest.
Some more interesting details on the All Season, although clearly some don't look at the posted pics or do not understand drawings..
http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin ... startat=20
Franco
Briefly. the poles float on the Scarps, they are not anchored down at the corner, so they can and do hold the fly up under some decent amount of snow but still let the frame flex in the wind.
(I have only had mine on top of snow, not under...)
Back to Thermarest.
Some more interesting details on the All Season, although clearly some don't look at the posted pics or do not understand drawings..
http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin ... startat=20
Franco
Re: New Thermarest Neoair AllSeason looks promising
Fri 08 Jul, 2011 8:36 am
Hold on, not so fast, im here 
Ive seen some impressive photos in snow, no problem there (though is the tent still up in that first one or just the poles? lol)
I think, most impressive though (to satisfy my curiosity) would be a wind test of flattening velocity (ie where tunnel tents excel). One with, one without the poles.. Do that (without snapping the poles or ripping something) and i'll start a new topic banging on about how good they are... or i'll just leave you in peace (helping to fill more orders)
Ive seen some impressive photos in snow, no problem there (though is the tent still up in that first one or just the poles? lol)
I think, most impressive though (to satisfy my curiosity) would be a wind test of flattening velocity (ie where tunnel tents excel). One with, one without the poles.. Do that (without snapping the poles or ripping something) and i'll start a new topic banging on about how good they are... or i'll just leave you in peace (helping to fill more orders)
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