Montbell superior down pants

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Re: Montbell superior down pants

Postby Rileyr » Sun 16 Jun, 2019 8:56 pm

Moondog55 wrote:A left field suggestion. What about the EE Snow Wrap in XL? Traps warmth from both legs together and can be used as both a sit pad and an extra warmth layer for sleeping. Cheaper and not a great weight penalty
I like that. Multi purpose

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Re: Montbell superior down pants

Postby Moondog55 » Thu 20 Jun, 2019 4:33 pm

Petew wrote:I also have a pair of 100wt fleece pants that aren't too heavy. I suspect I'll end up buying some EE torrid apex pants.


Can you request a warmer insulation on custom made? I read the site thru and it looked to me that all warm wear is made with 2.5ounce APEX fibre, I have found that isn't quite enough for me over simple base layers and if really cold even over fleece layers, I admit to feeling the cold tho so I have in the past always erred on the side of caution where insulation is concerned
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Re: Montbell superior down pants

Postby Moondog55 » Sun 23 Jun, 2019 2:50 pm

I've read a few American reviews of the AegisMax down pants that were positive with the proviso that they were of very light fabric
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/AEGISMA ... 24358.html
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Re: Montbell superior down pants

Postby photohiker » Mon 01 Jul, 2019 12:28 pm

Had a look at the AEGISMAX-Unisex-95-White-Goose-Down-Pants. They have thin and thicker versions, and a range of sizes from XS to XXXL. Fabric is Nylon 15D, and the filler is 95% white goose down, 800 FP.

We have a group of the family heading to Antarctica later, so have time. Have now ordered one of those AEGISMAX pants in the thick version to test it. If it works we will buy them for the group.

Anyone else have had these or tested these? It would cost about double $$ to buy the Montbell version.
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Re: Montbell superior down pants

Postby Orbita_Serenitatem » Wed 10 Jul, 2019 10:06 pm

slparker wrote:I use montane synthetic fill insulated 'prism' pants in subzero temps.
Relatively well priced, light and very warm.
Got onspecial from WA but also available from ukultralightgear.com.


I use the Prism pants too and matched with a WM Summerlight & merino thermals have slept fine down to -9 with possum socks and Featherlight Down Jacket, gloves and a balaclava... my alpine sleep system - due to not having a sub zero bag!
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Re: Montbell superior down pants

Postby Moondog55 » Sun 14 Jul, 2019 1:47 pm

Apropos to this thread
Cecile and I just cut down an old pair of Expedition weight cheap long johns into shorts, in XXXXL [ I got them for $5- at the closing of the Rays Superstore and I thought they were Asian size] and at the just at the knee length they weigh 225 grams. Just to put the mass of the UL down pants in perspective my Patagonia DAS pants in XXL weigh 525grams
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Re: Montbell superior down pants

Postby photohiker » Sun 14 Jul, 2019 2:09 pm

photohiker wrote:Had a look at the AEGISMAX-Unisex-95-White-Goose-Down-Pants. They have thin and thicker versions, and a range of sizes from XS to XXXL. Fabric is Nylon 15D, and the filler is 95% white goose down, 800 FP.


This arrived this week. Size XL

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Re: Montbell superior down pants

Postby Moondog55 » Sun 14 Jul, 2019 2:19 pm

They look tight. How do they feel on and how warm are they and what do they weigh?
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Re: Montbell superior down pants

Postby photohiker » Sun 14 Jul, 2019 3:25 pm

Moondog55 wrote:They look tight. How do they feel on and how warm are they and what do they weigh?


Hi.

There are two types of these pants. They are either soft, or thick. Mine is the thick one: https://i.postimg.cc/gjDFL94w/Aegis.jpg

So they should look tight. :D

The feel soft and flex easy. They are pretty very warm here, but that's good. We need them warm for Antartica.

Weight is 315gm
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Re: Montbell superior down pants

Postby Moondog55 » Sun 14 Jul, 2019 5:12 pm

So you anticipate wearing over LJs and with the wind suit over the top?
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Re: Montbell superior down pants

Postby north-north-west » Mon 15 Jul, 2019 7:42 am

"Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens."
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Re: Montbell superior down pants

Postby photohiker » Mon 15 Jul, 2019 8:46 am

Yep. Looked at them also.

I decided for the AEGISMAX because they have a choice with thicker down options, and longer pants. If you look at the AEGISMAX the choice of the down on XL is between thin 106g or thick 165g.
My AEGISMAX (XL) weight is 315g compared to the Naturehike version at 250g at size L, and they also say our goose down is 800 filling power vs 750 on the Naturehike. The Naturehike one has thicker nylon 20D vs 15D on the AEGISMAX

The cost of the AEGISMAX compared between the standard vs Thicken is US$46.41 vs US$65.80
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Re: Montbell superior down pants

Postby Petew » Mon 15 Jul, 2019 2:18 pm

Re the sizing, if I normally wear medium should I order large?
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Re: Montbell superior down pants

Postby Moondog55 » Mon 15 Jul, 2019 2:27 pm

Petew wrote:Re the sizing, if I normally wear medium should I order large?


Much safer to go up 2 full sizes in my limited experience, a bit like the Uniqlo XXXL being an XL at the most
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