stepbystep wrote:Nice guys don't stare, they avert their gaze and blush...
Are you saying Ni to that old woman?
Um...yes.
Oh, what sad times are these when passing ruffians can say Ni at will to old ladies.
stepbystep wrote:Nice guys don't stare, they avert their gaze and blush...
scroggin wrote:Because I'm not a 'nice guy' can I stare?
Seriously, I would not like to be a women in that position, it would be quite intimidating. But to ask 'nice guys' not to stare is a bit patronising, as though we don't know that staring at a women by herself or even with a group on a bushwalk is uncalled for.
Don't want to downplay it, and I take your point.
CasualNerd wrote:I have definitely noticed single women / pairs of women are very reluctant to even say hello when passing on the tracks. I think it's a bit sad really, I only say hello to be friendly ! I hope it's previous experience because I'm pretty sure I don't look like a serial killer.
[/quote]north-north-west wrote:
This is a constant in the lives of most women. Yes, even in a country as supposedly advanced and modern and 'equal' as Australia. There is no way to tell whether any given person (or group of people) is dangerous. Most women learn from childhood that a certain level of distrust is essential, because abuse and assault are always potentially around the next corner. For many of us, the potential has become reality all too often.
It isn't some conflated OTT radical feminist agenda being pushed when women try to point out the dangers of being a woman in this (or any other) country. It's fact.
If you aren't someone who ever has or ever would use any sort of violence against another, fine, don't take it personally. But when a woman says that they live with the fear of potential violence every second of their lives, believe them. And when women point out how certain all too common attitudes in society feed into the sense of entitlement that all too often leads to forms of assault and abuse, listen to them; and speak out when you encounter those attitudes. No matter how hard it is to speak up, just remember, it's harder for us to live with the reality of what those attitudes can cause.
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DarrenM wrote:Great post NNW.
wayno wrote:as bad as it may feel sometimes, remember theres very few adverse incidents between males and females in the wilderness. the odds of a male being more than having uncomfortable body language is pretty slim. tell them you're finding their staring rude and i expect it will stop.
Moondog55 wrote:Unfortunately men are biologically programmed to look at women and not staring takes a lot of reprogramming
I try no to stare but it happens sometimes, and it has nothing to do with how good looking/attractive etc the female is; my feeling is that it depends more on how long it has been since the man last had contact with females
ribuck wrote:I understand that people can feel vulnerable in the bush, but I'm sure it's unwarranted 99% of the time.
neilmny wrote:I thought not staring at anyone was a basic manner taught at a young age.
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