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Re: Fire alerts and track closures

Postby Lophophaps » Tue 09 Feb, 2016 12:05 pm

stepbystep wrote:I reckon as walkers we could form a network, that once properly trained as a fire response unit could get in 'behind the lines' to call in water bombers, and observe. Surely knowledge of country, and confidence to walk through it would be a big advantage??

Possible, but many details need to be worked out. From an adminstrative aspect, it may be easier to use the existing volunteer SAR framework. Perhaps raise the idea with clubs, volunteer SAR and fire brigades.
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Re: Fire alerts and track closures

Postby aloftas » Tue 09 Feb, 2016 2:10 pm

Oh well, obviously we need to simply sit on our hands less the water table rises miraculously?

I would have thought salinity would be the last thing to worry about

its a "parched" water table, not a "perched watertable"

The memo I got said, there is no water table

anyway....let the beaurocratic process drag on whilst Rome burns

Perhaps the one oversimplifying things, isn't me?
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Re: Fire alerts and track closures

Postby Son of a Beach » Wed 10 Feb, 2016 8:43 am

According to the ABC, "Tasmanian fire authorities turned down an offer from the Federal Government's emergency management body to mobilise the military to help fight bushfires in the World Heritage Area".

Full story is at: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-10/t ... ection=tas

Seems that the reasoning is that there was no way to deploy more people to fight the remote fires (presumably because of the remoteness), and that the military was not suitably skilled in remote fire-fighting.
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Re: Fire alerts and track closures

Postby tastrax » Wed 10 Feb, 2016 9:27 am

I can understand some of that. With well trained and resourced firefighters you can do a lot, but with unskilled, under resourced firefighters you would certainly not get the same returns. Plus, you still need to feed and water all the firefighters. I reckon Lake Pedder Lodge has been full from day 1 and I think there have been at least 3 helicopters stationed there for some time.

Fantastic that NSW is rotating a third of its remote firefighters - thats a huge effort, especially if there are more starts or worse fire weather.

Great that the military were able to assist in organising the interstate deployments.
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Re: Fire alerts and track closures

Postby tastrax » Wed 10 Feb, 2016 9:30 am

Chief Officer's Message 9th February 2016

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bADdlS ... e=youtu.be
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Re: Fire alerts and track closures

Postby north-north-west » Wed 10 Feb, 2016 11:19 am

The smoke is reaching us down here today. Kind of glad I haven't gone out to the Denisons after all. :(
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Re: Fire alerts and track closures

Postby tastrax » Wed 10 Feb, 2016 12:12 pm

Found this on Facebook (Via Cassy o'Connor and Geoff Law) - sorry about the formatting - straight copy and paste

Just received this overall briefing from Parks and Wildlife Service via Greens MP Cassy O'Connor:
Fire Situation on Reserved Lands – 9 February 2016
Statewide Situation:
73 fires across the State; of these:
26 going
47 patrol status and safe
· The 73 fires are across a variety of land tenures.
· Total area affected by fire – approximately 110,212 hectares.

PWS Tasmanian Wilderness World Heritage Area (TWWHA) situation:
It is estimated that 19,100 hectares (1.2%) of the TWWHA has been Included in this affected area is a range of vegetation types. The alpine communities (above 900 metres elevation) affected have a number of species that are extremely susceptible to fire. The iconic Pencil pine conifer (Athrotaxis cupressoides), the Creeping pine (Microcachrys tetragona) and the deciduous beech (Nothofagus gunnii) have been impacted. Some areas of alpine grasslands, herbfields and shrubs containing scoparia, mountain rocket, pineapple grass and cushion plants have also been affected. There have been media articles highlighting these species impacts.
It is important to note that work is already under way to assess and determine what actions need to be put in place to protect these sensitive alpine areas from erosion and invasive species incursion following the fire damage. Experts will perform the on ground assessments as soon as the fire areas are declared safe.

Current Strategy:
Some rainfall has reduced fire activity across the State. The amount fallen has been highly variable, ranging from 5 mm to 300 mm in the east. The west has received rainfall in localised downpours. For example, we have evidence of a fire area receiving 5 mm in one location and 30 mm only 900 metres away.
The fire weather conditions are currently low due to high humidity, temperatures in the mid‑twenties, and light winds. The meteorology bureau is not forecasting any significant fire weather in the several days.
The only limiting factor for the fire suppression effort, particularly in remote areas of the TWWHA, is low cloud that restricts the deployment of remote area crews across the fire grounds. Local incident management teams are continually assessing flying conditions and deploying crews where it is safe to do so. The most efficient methods of access are by helicopter to the fire ground and then using the helicopters to water bomb and/or recharge portable dams onsite. As the crews expose the ground turf the hot embers are dowsed with water to completely extinguish the threat of the fire restarting when the weather returns to hot and windy conditions. Fire hose lines are run out to support the ground crews and are fed water from the many portable dams established.
Some limited areas are able to be accessed from the ground by vehicle and walking. This is only done when conditions enable safe operations.
It should be noted that remote area firefighting is a specialised function that requires specific training and experience. As this is a specialised resource, the State Fire Operations Centre is now coordinating all requests for remote area crews. Aircraft resources are being coordinated in the same way.
PWS staff with experience and knowledge of TWWHA values and remote area firefighting are established in incident management teams to assist Tasmanian and interstate planning staff with developing strategy/tactics and implementation.
Current Fire Ground Resource Deployment on PWS reserved lands:
Currently, Tasmania has 106 NSW/ACT and 42 New Zealand Remote Area Firefighting specialists deployed within the three regions. In addition, TFS, PWS and FT have up to 150 Remote Area Firefighting specialists that are also being deployed. Please note that these numbers will vary from day to day depending on the prioritisation of fire duties. Additionally we have the many staff running the Incident Management Teams (IMT’s) and staging locations.
Aircraft:
32 aircraft in total.
30 helicopters: large/medium water bombers, personnel carriers, reconnaissance (including Forward Looking Infra-Red), 2 helicopters are equipped with winches - which is essential for crew deployment to difficult locations and emergency medivac.
Line scanning aircraft are available out of Victoria. (Weather conditions, low cloud, has rendered them ineffective). The situation is being reviewed daily with respect to their use.

Southern Region - South West fires/Strathgordon:
Remote Area crews have been working on extinguishing fire edges and consolidating control lines with support from helicopter water bombing. Flying conditions have been interrupted intermittently by low cloud, but conditions have improved.
Remote area teams were deployed utilising aircraft. They are actively extinguishing hot spots and conducting “hot and cold” trailing. Heli-pads were constructed at the Maxwell River and Dohertys Range fires.
Mount Cullen/Strathgordon - this fire complex has remote area crews from NSW, ACT, Tasmania and NZ. This fire now has a safe boundary and work is being done to reduce hot spots inside the boundary. The south east corner requires more work to make it safe ongoing.
Maxwell River and Dohertys Range region - this region has a number of independent small fires that have been smouldering for some time. Although they have not inceased in size, we are now sending remote crews in to extinguish them before the next hot weather period. The most important fire that is being managed to reduce impacts on threatened species is the Maxwell River site. Remote crews have been establishing safe edges with fire hose placements from strategically placed dams for any days.
These fire complexes have 47 remote crew, 25 IMT and 7 helicopters. (70 remote crew will be starting tomorrow).

North-West Region:
Remote area teams are currently establishing containment lines and actively attacking hotspots identified from earlier infra-red scans. Firefighters have been deployed into the Watsons Creek and Pipeline utilising aircraft and, where possible, vehicles.
The Tindal Range fire has been flown regularly, with no active fire sighted. This fire will be flown with infra-red scanner as soon as flying conditions are suitable, and remote area resources deployed as required.
Pipeline, Wuthering Heights and Watsons Creek region - we have NZ , NSW and Tasmanian remote crews working on these fires. Both these fore complexes are still active. These are particularly difficult remote fires to fight because of the tall forest regions. The NSW remote fire fighters with helicopter winching capacity are being utilised in this terrain.
These fire complexes have 147 remote fire fighters, 40IMt and 10 helicopters.
Arthur River - has a number of PWS and TFS crews still mopping up and patrolling.
Northern - Lake Mackenzie/Mersey Forest Complex:
Infra-red scans have identified hotspots that the fire crews can work on through a priority process. Firefighters have been deployed utilising both aircraft and, where possible, vehicles. Local TFS and PWS remote area fire fighters have also been deployed with interstate personnel.
Lake Bill - the fire boundary has been secured and work is being done to reduce hot spots on the edge and inside the boundary.
Lake Mackenzie/February Plains region - much work is still required to make the fire edge safe, again there are interstate and Tasmanian crews working on these fires.
These fire complexes have 70 remote fire fighters 38 IMT and 13 helicopters.

Future Strategy:
Having good firefighting conditions for the next four days, there will be consistent deployment of crews on a rotation basis. Replacement crews are deployed as overlap on days off. Should new fires be detected (that arise from past lightning strikes) more remote area resources will be deployed.
It is intended to make all fires safe and secure from further expansion before the next hot weather arrives.
Recovery/rehabilitation planning has begun with TWWHA fauna, flora and geomorphology specialists. On ground assessment of the fire zones will occur immediately the fire zones are declared safe to enter. Already there is an interstate assessment team arriving today to begin a review of the Lake McKenzie fire response, management and recovery.
Assessment of re-opening of a number of walking tracks within reserved land will occur over the next seven days. The Overland Track is now open as of last Wednesday. All walkers will be briefed about potential smoke that may continue to be observed.
Please note that it is still wise to advise travellers to check the TFS and PWS websites for accurate information in respect to fire activity and walking track closures. The Tasmania Police website provides information on road closures.
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Re: Fire alerts and track closures

Postby whynotwalk » Wed 10 Feb, 2016 1:58 pm

Thanks Phil - it's a reminder of how complex fire fighting can be,

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Re: Fire alerts and track closures

Postby Nuts » Wed 10 Feb, 2016 3:48 pm

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Re: Fire alerts and track closures

Postby Overlandman » Wed 10 Feb, 2016 3:58 pm

Thanks Phil,
I called into the Vale, at Claude Road yesterday.
This is Tas Fires air base for the lake Mackenzie fires.
Impressive set up, there had been up to 16 helicopters and the two ag aircraft on site.

I am impressed by the way Tas Fire and other agencies have joined forces, this would have to be the largest Airborne assault in Tasmanias history.
The guys & ladies are doing a great job.

Story from the Mercury
Not sure if 104 helicopters is correct, seems a bit high.

http://www.themercury.com.au/news/tasma ... 4989562c8e

AS many as 104 helicopters have been used simultaneously to fight Tasmania’s bushfires this summer.

The details have emerged amid calculations that the cost of the state’s fires — borne by the state and federal governments — is expected to exceed $10 million.

Tasmania Fire Service spokeswoman Shannon Fox said the accountants had only just begun working through the still-growing stack of invoices for helicopter time, machinery,

overtime, payments to volunteers and food and accommodation, which are in addition to normal wages, overheads, expenditure and budget allowances.

Ms Fox said the State Government had empowered the firefighting agencies to “do whatever it takes, but to be cognisant of costs and priorities”. She said, with so many helicopters operating in Tasmania during the busiest period, it would not be cheap.

A Squirrel chopper, the smallest helicopter used to carry water bombs in the Tasmanian effort, costs about $2000 an hour and many of the helicopters, including the giant Sikorsky S-61, would cost a lot more.

Seven Squirrels could cost as much as $170,000 a day, and the Federal Government is expected to pick up much of the tab for aircraft — including five helicopters and two planes allocated to the state at the beginning of the fire season in December.

Interstate and New Zealand agencies are expected to pay the wages of 205 fly-in firefighters, with the State Government picking up other costs.

Greens senator Nick McKim said the costs would pale in comparison with the 18,400ha of priceless World Heritage area already burned, including fragile alpine ecosystems. Senator McKim demanded more resources from the Federal Government.

“The Federal Government has ... refused to allocate further resources to help fight the fires, and refused to indicate whether the Tasmanian Government has formally requested assistance,’’ Senator McKim said.

Labor senator Lisa Singh also called on governments to ramp up capacity for protecting irreplaceable wilderness areas, now threatened by climate change.

The final bill, which a spokesman for Infrastructure Minister Rene Hidding said would be subject to a review, is also expected to pale in comparison with the $89 million Dunalley fires, which included the replacement of more than 65 homes, a school and a police station.

Apart from power poles, the only significant infrastructure destroyed in the past three weeks has been the Nelson Bay bridge, near Temma.

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Re: Fire alerts and track closures

Postby tastrax » Wed 10 Feb, 2016 5:37 pm

Joint operations between agencies is one thing Tasmania has excelled at for years. Well recognised all over Australia.
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Re: Fire alerts and track closures

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Re: Fire alerts and track closures

Postby waterfallman » Wed 10 Feb, 2016 10:44 pm

Chin up all. This has been a big hit. Yes, the devastated areas are large. But it could have been 10 times worse. As Gandalf said.. "perhaps some good may yet come of this!" (Although, it is hard to see when we are in a sort of mourning period).
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Re: Fire alerts and track closures

Postby Hermione » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 9:38 pm

Did anyone see this article http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-11/g ... ection=tas
I got a bit annoyed by some of Will Hodgman's comments in the second half of it, like this one ...""I would urge the Tasmanian Greens to ask their environmental activists to back off, because it is having a negative effect on our brand, our reputation globally, potentially causing people to not want to visit our state as tourists." We can't just sweep this under the carpet! As a frequent tourist to Tasmania myself this is kind of insulting, like if we don't know we'll keep coming and spending our money.I love Tasmania and obviously this won't stop me visiting but this issue is a lot bigger than the almighty tourist dollar (to me anyway). I know tourism is an important source of income for Tassie but surely we want to educate people about the environmental impact bushfires (climate change/global warming etc..) can have and maybe work together to save these beautiful places????
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Re: Fire alerts and track closures

Postby MrWalker » Fri 12 Feb, 2016 7:26 am

Hermione wrote:Did anyone see this article http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-11/g ... ection=tas
I got a bit annoyed by some of Will Hodgman's comments in the second half of it, like this one ...""I would urge the Tasmanian Greens to ask their environmental activists to back off, because it is having a negative effect on our brand, our reputation globally, potentially causing people to not want to visit our state as tourists." We can't just sweep this under the carpet! As a frequent tourist to Tasmania myself this is kind of insulting, like if we don't know we'll keep coming and spending our money.I love Tasmania and obviously this won't stop me visiting but this issue is a lot bigger than the almighty tourist dollar (to me anyway). I know tourism is an important source of income for Tassie but surely we want to educate people about the environmental impact bushfires (climate change/global warming etc..) can have and maybe work together to save these beautiful places????

The problem is that if general view outside Tasmania is that the wilderness is ruined and it is not worth visiting, then we will certainly go back to mining and forestry in those areas. So it is really important to those that value the Tasmanian wilderness areas that we make everyone aware that almost all of it is doing fine and is still worth seeing right now.

This does not need to detract from any efforts to make sure the rest is protected from future fires.
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Re: Fire alerts and track closures

Postby Son of a Beach » Fri 12 Feb, 2016 1:50 pm

As if it the OT isn't crowded enough without helicopters buzzing about, and politicians dropping in! Some wilderness experience that must be.

Aren't there rules banning unnecessary helicopter flights, specifically for this reason?
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Re: Fire alerts and track closures

Postby grant evans » Fri 12 Feb, 2016 7:34 pm

As of the 29 January of the 4920ha of pencil pines 200ha have been burnt that around 4 percent
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Re: Fire alerts and track closures

Postby grant evans » Fri 12 Feb, 2016 7:39 pm

If you wish to view the map and article go to simoncubit.com.au and go to the link Of huts, wildfires and pencil pines
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Re: Fire alerts and track closures

Postby Overlandman » Fri 12 Feb, 2016 8:31 pm

Now we're talking

From the Mercury

http://www.themercury.com.au/news/tasma ... c4441a8693

THREE North American bomber planes hit the North West Tasmania earlier today to water bomb the region’s out of control bushfires.

Residents in the area were told not to be alarmed by the low-flying air tankers.

The two C130-Bombers and a C10-Bomber were requested from the NSW Rural Fire Service, which has them on loan from North America.

The air tankers flew from Avalon airport in Melbourne to water bomb the northeast edge of the Mawbanna Rd fire.

The planes have a payload of between 15,000-43,000 litres of water, depending on the model.

They were led into the drop zone by a smaller Rockwell Turbo Commander 690B called a “bird dog”.

The tankers had finished their operation by mid-afternoon.

Tasmania has faced an unprecedented stretch of simultaneous bushfires for the last 30 days.

The blazes have scorched about 115,00ha across the state.

The Tasmania Fire Service estimated the fires could burn for another month.

More than 500 interstate and international firefighters have been drafted in to help combat the bushfires.
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Re: Fire alerts and track closures

Postby Nuts » Sun 14 Feb, 2016 4:33 pm

Son of a Beach wrote:As if it the OT isn't crowded enough without helicopters buzzing about, and politicians dropping in! Some wilderness experience that must be.

Aren't there rules banning unnecessary helicopter flights, specifically for this reason?


No, not really, nor the company politicians keep (qualified by? bank balance!)
There should be reaction, but no less than if that was Honglin Zhao up there.
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Re: Fire alerts and track closures

Postby Overlandman » Sun 14 Feb, 2016 6:06 pm

Story from the Mercury
2 Historical huts lost so far.
Well done to the fire crews that have preserved several huts in danger of burning.

http://www.themercury.com.au/news/tasma ... d8c6513b0b

BUSHFIRES sweeping through Tasmania’s wilderness have reduced some of the state’s most unique historical architecture to ash.

At least two old trappers’ huts have perished in fires in the Great Western Tiers, while other mountain huts have been narrowly saved by firefighters intent on protecting the rustic relics of a bygone era.

A century ago about 100 trappers’ huts were dotted throughout the high country landscape, but now there are only a handful of the original structures left.

The Mountain Huts Preservation Society has praised the efforts of firefighting crews for protecting huts by water bombing and back-burning around them.

“We notified the authorities about where all the huts are and they’ve done a wonderful job,” said society member Margaret Howe.

“It’s sad we’ve lost two, but it could have been much worse

Mrs Howe said that although they were unassuming in appearance, the old trappers’ huts were a poignant reminder of the past — particularly of the iconic bushmen who built them.


Boy Miles’ skin shed before the fire. Picture: MARGARET HOWE/MOUNTAIN HUTS PRESERVATION SOCIETY TASMANIA
“They were such tough and wiry old characters who lived such a simple existence,” said Mrs Howe.

The mountain huts are humble relics of an era of Tasmanian fur trapping, when trappers spent mid-winter in the state’s harshest elements.

While the practice of fur trapping was abandoned in the mid 1980s, when snaring became illegal, the snarers’ old huts are living history written into the landscape.

Sadly, two of those relics are now ash and crumpled metal.

Tasmanian historian Simon Cubit said one of the burnt huts was the world’s only surviving example of a “hide hut”, which were small well-hidden huts commonly used by trappers to hide animal skins taken illegally out of season.

Dr Cubit said the wooden hut might have appeared small on the landscape, but its historical significance was immense.

“It was just a little hut surrounded by dense bush, but it was the only one of its type still in existence,” he said.

“It’s loss is disastrous.”

The hut belonged to Basil Steers, a renowned high country snarer who built several huts on the February Plains before his death in 1997.

Although his clandestine hide hut was lapped up by flames, firefighters managed to save two nearby huts that Mr Steers built and used as bases for his hunting expeditions.

Mr Steers, born in 1927 in Gowrie, started snaring with his father at the age of 15 — walking into the bush with packhorses carrying provisions for weeks of snow and flooded rivers.

Mrs Howe said it “was not a lifestyle for the faint hearted”, but the rugged simplicity nurtured a “life-long love affair that Basil would have for the bush”.

The other historic structure destroyed in this summer’s bushfires, which have so far burnt out 115,000ha across Tasmania, was a “skin shed” built in the 1970s by snarer Ray “Boy” Miles.

Comprised of four walls and a central fireplace, the old skin sheds were commonly used by snarers to dry out marsupial skins over winter. Skins would be nailed all over the interior of the sheds while a smouldering fire dried them out.

Dr Cubit said the skin sheds were the local hunters’ res­ponse to a uniquely Tasmanian problem: drying skins in a wet and cold environment.

The plush pelts of Tasmanian wallaby and possum were highly sought after in Europe and North America from the late 1800s until the market collapsed following the introduction of synthetic fibres and changing fashions in the 1950s.

Some of the world’s best-quality pelts were sourced from Tasmania’s high country during winter, when the animals adapted to the elements by growing thicker coats.

“Tasmania invented a drying process that allowed skins to be dried in the field,” Dr Cubit said. “The technological advance led to a rush of men to the mountains because there was huge money to be made.”

Dr Cubit, who co-authored Mountain Men: Stories from the Tasmanian High Country with historian Nic Haygarth, said the historical significance of the old mountain huts was sometimes overlooked.

But he said the rough wooden huts were more uniquely Tasmanian than the grand sandstone examples of Tasmania’s built heritage — which were mere copies of European architecture. “These [huts] are a unique expression of our cultural identity,” he said.

Hastily built from nearby timbers and sheets of corrugated iron, the huts were testament to the simple life.

The Boy Miles skin shed, on Dublin Rd in the Mersey Valley, was one of only six of its type left in the state — and the world.

Mrs Howe and her husband Kelvin, a founding member of the Mountain Huts Preservation Society when it formed 28 years ago, live under the Great Western Tiers and share that love of the bush.

While she never knew Ray “Boy” Miles, Mrs Howe said she had interviewed so many locals about him for the soc­iety’s historical booklets she felt as though she knew the troubled but gentle soul.

Born in Mole Creek in 1919, Boy grew up fishing and hunting in the high country before enlisting in World War II in 1940.

After serving in the Middle East he was captured by the Japanese in 1942 and as a prisoner of war was forced to work on the infamous Burma “Death Railway”.

He returned to Tasmania with physical and mental scars from his war experience and found solace in the mountains.

Though a trapper, he was known for keeping possums as pets. He also relocated snakes that crept into his hut rather than killing them.

In the years before his death in 1979, Boy spent about a decade fur trapping because of a rebound in the fur trade during the 1970s.

Wayne Spaulding, who bec­ame Boy’s close friend and fellow hunter, still remembers the older trapper as “an exceptional all-round bushman”.

“I used to tag along behind him and learn the country,” said Mr Spaulding, now 70.

Mr Spaulding said it was sad to hear about the loss of his friend’s skin shed.

“That was a big part of him that’s been lost,” he said.

For Mr Spaulding, the huts are an important reminder of not only cherished times but an era of different values.

He said he and Boy would head out with nothing but a “pocketful of snares” and live for weeks mainly on wallaby and rabbit stews cooked in camp ovens left in the huts.

He said the life was a world away from today’s excesses.

“It taught you to live with what you’ve got,” he said.

“It was simple a life, but it was the best life.”
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Re: Fire alerts and track closures

Postby Nuts » Mon 15 Feb, 2016 8:58 am

The remains(?) of Dove Canyon fire clearly seen, some of the Mackenzie/ Feb plains fire damage can be seen (the range behind, mid ground) with concentration. Pretty much all you'll see from the Overland Track, all in the first few days. No big deal visually, not of immediate threat otherwise (to person or experience), Smokey on occasion varying with prevailing winds, humidity.

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Re: Fire alerts and track closures

Postby Mountain Rocket » Mon 15 Feb, 2016 12:18 pm

Scary stuff. I just got back from a few weeks in NZ and have just caught up on this thread. Thanks to all who have contributed thus far, I've learned a lot.

'The TFS said there has been no major damage to sensitive forests in the World Heritage Area in the past few days. [...]
Mr Freeman said a lot of resources have been put into the Maxwell River South fire in the state's south-west wilderness.
"To ensure that we minimise any impact, at the moment it's burning in button-grass plain which is not ideal of course, but it's certainly not burning in any threatened species in terms of large trees so we're doing everything we can to keep it out of those areas," he said.'
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Re: Fire alerts and track closures

Postby Russ17 » Tue 16 Feb, 2016 6:32 am

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"Water bombing and magic bullets.

by Roger Underwood

Back in the summer of 1960/61, when I was training to become a forestry officer, I was unlucky enough to be caught up as a firefighter in the great bushfires of that year. In the Dwellingup Fire, three towns were burnt out; a further town was burned out at Karridale, and in the lower southwest a massive fire took out thousands of hectares of beautiful karri forest south of Pemberton. This last fire was only contained when it ran into the southern ocean near Windy Harbour.

It was in the wake of these fires that I first began to glimpse the depth of the ignorance about bushfires that was then, and is still today, evident in Australian society.

This was demonstrated by a series of letters to the editor published in The West Australian newspaper in which well-meaning citizens proposed solutions to the bushfire problem in south-west forests. Many of these suggestions were so outlandish as to be laughable – for example, one writer urged the government to construct low stone walls all through the forest, modelled on the drystone walls he had seen on the moors of Scotland. Another advocated the installation of a reticulated sprinkler system over millions of acres of forest. How construction and maintenance of this system was to be funded, and where the water was to come from, were not explained.

More recently I recall a Perth environmentalist proposing that the government should station an army of firefighters permanently in the forest throughout the fire season, day and night. They would be so numerous, and so well placed, that any fire that started could be attacked and suppressed within minutes of starting. There was no suggestion as to how this army was to be recruited, trained, sustained in the field and paid-for. Given that a fire in heavy fuels in the jarrah forest, under quite normal summer weather conditions, can escalate from a spot fire to a crown fire in about fifteen minutes, I estimate that the number of firefighters needed to cover the two million hectares of forest would need to be of the order of 4 million men.

And only the other day I read a proposal from a learned professor at the Australian National University, that the entire Australian forest estate be crisscrossed with parallel roads, two hundred metres or so apart, allowing the intervening strip to be regularly subjected to controlled burning, thus enabling wildfires to be contained in the low-fuel strips. No thought was given to the cost of building and maintaining the roads, especially in mountain country, let alone the fact that it would not work. Fires in heavy fuels in eucalypt forest can throw spotfires for kilometres, making any network of narrow fuel reduced strips just as meaningless as a low stone wall.

The modern equivalent of these stories are the calls for the government to increase its fleet of aerial water bombers, specifically the gargantuan DC10, or Very Large Air Tanker (VLAT). There are letters to the editor nearly every day, supported by calls for more and larger aircraft from retired politicians on talk-back radio, representatives of the aviation industry and journalists. Water bombing aircraft are also beloved of the uniformed firemen who dominate our emergency services, because they are the ultimate expression of "wet firefighting". Wet firefighting is fighting fires with water; uniformed firemen everywhere have been trained to know it is the only approach.
Thus, the water bomber is seen as the magic bullet, the answer to the bushfire maiden's prayer.

Interestingly, nothing along these lines is heard from the land management fraternity (of which I am one). We advocate fire prevention and damage mitigation, with desperate firefighting seen as the last resort, only needed when an effective land management program has broken down. We understand that forest fires must be fought "dry", that is, with bulldozers constructing containment lines. In this approach water is used for mopping up the fire edge, not for constructing the edge, which (in forest country) it cannot do. We regard the growing reliance on water bombing as a foolish approach to bushfire management.

Here I need to pause briefly and remind myself of the cautionary words of my father (who was a scientist, a philosopher, a teacher and a man of great tolerance): “Roger,” he admonished me one day when I was sounding off about something, “there is a big difference between being a fool and being simply miss-informed”.

This is all very well. But when it comes to bushfires, the misinformed are now in charge, or they are subject to political influence and manoeuvring by lobby groups who have no interest in effective bushfire management, such as the Australian greens. Misinformation thus leads to foolish decisions, and these in turn lead to bushfire disasters.

The calls for investment in more and bigger aerial water bombers rather than in effective pre-emption of bushfire damage is a classic demonstration of misinformed people making foolish proposals. Every experienced fire fighter in Australia (and in the USA and Canada) knows that water bombers can never control an intense forest wildfire.

Consider these factors:
• Firstly, because of atmospheric turbulence and smoke, water bombing aircraft cannot get at the seat of a rampaging forest fire; they must stand off from the head, and then the drop is evaporated by radiant heat well before the flames arrive;
• Secondly, in tall, dense forest, the water drop often cannot penetrate the canopy in sufficient volume to make a difference - it is intercepted by the tree crowns. This occurred over and again in the recent fire in ash forest in the Otway Ranges in Victoria - the water simply did not get to the ground.
• Thirdly, water bombers cannot (or do not) operate at night and under high winds, the very conditions when the most damaging forest fires occur. Three of the last four towns to burn in WA, and both towns that burned in Victoria in 2009, burned at night.
• Fourth, water bombing is extremely dangerous for aircrew as the aircraft are operating at low altitude, in uncontrolled airspace with poor visibility. It is only a matter of time before there is a shocking accident and an aircrew fatality.
• Water bombing can also be dangerous to people on the ground. If the drop from a Very Large Air Tanker is made from only marginally too low, the huge tonnage of water is capable of smashing houses and vehicles and killing firefighters;
• Fifth, water bombers use vast quantities of fresh water, probably one of the most precious resources in Australia, especially in Western Australia where the current drought is over 30 years in duration and reservoirs and ground water aquifers are drying up. Sea water could be used, provided the tankers have access to it, but dropping salt water onto catchment areas or farms would only add to the problems caused by the fire.

Finally, the whole business is obscenely expensive. The merest little helicopter water bomber costs a dollar a second for every second it is in the air, while the "Elvis" firecrane hired from the USA is about ten times more expensive. The Very Large Air Tanker operating out of NSW this year is said to cost nearly $50,000 an hour for every hour it is in the air, and not much less when it is simply on standby on the ground. And to this must be added the cost of the smaller aeroplane that flies ahead of the VLAT to mark its dropping target.

I have no idea what the "carbon footprint" of a VLAT is, as it has never been mentioned, especially by the environmentalists who are so enamoured of it, but it must be significant.

I am not completely against water bombing. I am happy to see a small number of light water bombers stationed around the southwest, because they can do useful work assisting ground crews in the control of relatively mild-intensity bushfires, and under some circumstances can "hold" a fire in a remote spot until the ground crews arrive, or can drench a house threatened by a grass fire. What I oppose is the ramping-up of the business to the extent we are now seeing in Australia, along with all the publicity that suggests this is not just a good thing, but is the responsible thing to do (when the opposite is the case). And I hate the sheer waste involved, not just of dollars, but the futile dropping of precious fresh water onto a raging forest fire, making not one iota of difference.

How well I recall the most recent bushfire in Kings Park in Perth. The air was thick with water bombing helicopters and fixed wing aeroplanes, dropping load after load of water, but the fire was only contained when it ran into the Swan River. Remembering this reminded me of the words of Stephen Pyne, the world's foremost bushfire historian and commentator:
"Air tankers are primarily political theatre, and only secondarily part of fire control. They have their place. But they dislodge attention from truly effective measures".

My frustration over all this is made more acute by re-reading the analysis of the trials of the DC10 VLAT by the CSIRO. After a number of water dropping trials, the CSIRO concluded:
1. Most of the drops featured a distinct pattern of break-up of the drop cloud in which a series of alternating thick and thin sections could be seen. The resulting drop footprints exhibited a corresponding pattern of heavy and light sections of coverage. Many of the light-coverage sections within the footprints were observed to allow the fire to pass across them with minimal slowing effect on spread rates.
2. Two drops delivered in open woodlands (as opposed to heavy forest) penetrated through the canopy and provided a good coverage of surface fuels. One of these drops rained gently through the canopy under the influence of a headwind. Another drop caused severe damage, snapping off trees ...This drop could have potentially injured people or damaged buildings..

The CSIRO scientists also looked at the effectiveness of the DC10 dropping fire retardant chemicals in the forest across the path of the headfire, a technique frequently recommended by supporters of aerial tankers. They concluded that this approach would only succeed for very low intensity fires, due to the ease with which a more intense fire would spot over the retardant line.

Overall, the CSIRO's conclusion of this study was that:
on the evidence collected, this aircraft is not suitable for achieving effective [bushfire] suppression under most Australian conditions.

Unfortunately, the CSIRO did not look at the Western Australian situation, where there are significant operational constraints. As far as I know we have only two airfields in the south west that the DC10 can use - Perth Airport, where it would compete for airspace with passenger jumbo jets, and the military airfield at Pearce which is well north of the south-west forest zone, giving long ferry times between drops. Furthermore, the operation of the DC10 requires a staff of over thirty, most of whom are doing nothing for most of the time. During a fire attack, the VLAT is led in by a second aircraft, whose job is to mark the drop zone. This is further crowding the air space over the fire. Turn-around re-fuelling and water or retardant reloading of the VLAT between drops takes up to an hour on the ground ... by which time the fire could already have outflanked the initial drop.

Despite all this, calls for the acquisition of a DC10 water bomber continue to come in thick and fast.

The explanation for this popularity was given to me by a Californian fire chief with whom I became friends at an international conference on bushfires in Washington in 2011. There was not a single bushfire professional in the USA who supported the massive investment in aerial water bombing that has occurred in recent years, he said. In the first place it was known that they were ineffective on anything but a relatively mild forest fire, and even then only operated as support to firefighters on the ground. In the second place, their cost was so great that every other part of the fire and forest management system had to be sacrificed to fund them.

On the other hand, my friend explained, the whole shebang had taken on a political and media life of its own. Nobody cared whether or not it was cost-effective; the important thing was that it made fantastic television and the politicians and emergency service chiefs who ordered them could bask in a glow of popular acclaim, and adulation in the media. City people, with no bushfire experience or any understanding of the effectiveness of the water bombers, are seduced by their glamour and drama. Water bombing, as a friend remarked, is not firefighting but "theatre for the masses".

As I write, the support for water bombers in Australia is becoming almost hysterical. The Gold Medal goes to radio compere Ian McNamara of "Macca on a Sunday Morning" fame. He said it is a "no brainer" not to have multiple air forces of water bombers stationed all over the country, the more the better. This opinion is supported by the greens who see the water bomber as a substitute for fuel reduction burning, which they hate.

However, the most insidious contribution to the water bombing issue comes from an alliance between the Australian aviation industry and Australian journalists. The aviation industry sees the ramping-up of aerial firefighting simply as good business. They have no interest in its effectiveness ... their game is to sell or hire more aircraft, and the bigger and more expensive the aircraft, the better. And they need no advertising program! This is provided for free by the Australian media.

The approach of the aviation industry is reprehensible, but understandable, because it is the way salesmen and business lobbyists always operate. What is not acceptable is the way the love affair between journalists and aerial water bombers is leading to terrible investment decisions by governments. Cost/effectiveness is never discussed. It is enough that water bombers make grand television and dramatic pictures. The West Australian newspaper these days rarely has a photograph of a firefighter. Every fire story is accompanied by a picture of a water bomber, sweeping in overhead and ejecting its load of water. The West Australian also has aviation correspondent Geoffrey "Biggles" Thomas, who writes a regular column. He is an unabashed supporter of the aviation industry, and blatantly promotes investment in more and bigger water bombers.

I realise I am wasting my breath. With the adulation of the media, the lobbying of gullible politicians by the aviation industry, the support from populists like "Macca", and the influence of the greens and the uniformed firemen, the outcome is foregone. By next summer Western Australia will be mimicking the basket-case jurisdictions in Victoria and NSW, and will be acquiring more helicopters, perhaps even the proven-to-be-useless DC10. All of this will be funded by a multi-million dollar budget ... while at the same time, resourcing of fuel reduction burning and other programs for improving bushfire prevention, damage mitigation and townsite protection, will languish.
I do remember my father's words - you cannot call someone stupid who is merely misinformed. But in the bushfire world I have seen, too many times, the dangerous outcomes that flow when the misinformed make foolish decisions.

As I wrote elsewhere a year or so ago:
... the most fundamental tool of the bushfire manager is not the fire tanker, the bulldozer, or even the water bomber. It is the match. The only way to minimise fire intensity and damage is by reducing the amount of fuel before a fire starts. Military people refer to this approach as the pre-emptive strike … we call it fuel reduction.

I also remind myself of the words of the great Victorian forester and administrator Alf Leslie. He had a favourite saying: “When it comes to public policy, stupidity nearly always wins”.

Never is this better illustrated than in the way our bushfire authorities and the greater community have been seduced by the glamour of the water bomber. This is the ultimate in stupid policy: a publicly funded program that is obscenely expensive but basically useless.
January 18, 2016"
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Re: Fire alerts and track closures

Postby Nuts » Tue 16 Feb, 2016 8:15 am

Nothing good about wildfire is there, dead money sorely needed elsewhere (in parks). No easy answers otherwise, Iv'e been looking at the reduction burn on Snake Hill, a historic event not without effort and expense and the Buttongrass looks almost ready again. In terms of being an agent to spread fire to other vegetation types, doesn't seem it will take long before the fuel load is similar?

No doubt there will be calls for a big increase in this mgmt regime.

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Re: Fire alerts and track closures

Postby aloftas » Tue 16 Feb, 2016 9:31 am

That picture takes me back to the days of me owning 50 acres of this stuff :)

Id get all brave and not think about old percy the snake under these tufts


then id get all frightened and barrel outta there with my farmers gait atop the plants

probably knowledge that helped me up at arm river in the snow

good to see a base camp set up

history will recall these vacillations and procrastinations and I see a galvanisation of all people to see waste oversight and mismanagement put to the account and rigorous scrutiny of an informed public.
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Re: Fire alerts and track closures

Postby tangles2 » Tue 16 Feb, 2016 5:11 pm

Does anyone have a map showing the burn impact of the Lake MacKenzie fire yet. Looking at the pics I think I can identify north balmoral & it looks like the worst appears to be north of the lake. I originally had a walk lined up south from Lake M in late February, but that's now on hold. I'd just like a more accurate idea of the area affected. Did it spread across as far as 40 Lakes Peak, or Little Throne Lake to the south? I'd appreciate it if some one could direct me to a spot with maps or digital representation of how far the damage has spread.
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Re: Fire alerts and track closures

Postby Overlandman » Tue 16 Feb, 2016 5:43 pm

tangles2 wrote:Does anyone have a map showing the burn impact of the Lake MacKenzie fire yet. Looking at the pics I think I can identify north balmoral & it looks like the worst appears to be north of the lake. I originally had a walk lined up south from Lake M in late February, but that's now on hold. I'd just like a more accurate idea of the area affected. Did it spread across as far as 40 Lakes Peak, or Little Throne Lake to the south? I'd appreciate it if some one could direct me to a spot with maps or digital representation of how far the damage has spread.
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Just zoom in

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Re: Fire alerts and track closures

Postby rolfex » Wed 17 Feb, 2016 3:36 pm

The Tasmanian Fire Services Map shows the boundary of the burnt area of several of the fires, but it is imposed on a Google Map view of the area which is rather featureless in bush areas. I superimposed the shaded burn area of the Lake MacKenzie fire on the 1:100K TheList map of the area. This shows that the fire has burnt:

- most of the central plateau north and west of Lake MacKenzie (e.g. Mt Parmeener), but not Western Bluff.
- none of the area north of the edge of the plateau
- both sides of almost all the Lake MacKenzie road, but not the last kilometre to the dam
- about 1km of the Blue Peaks track near the start
- Ritters Plain almost to Fisher Bluff, including Last Lagoon and Jacks Lagoon, but not as far south as Fisher Bluff itself
- the whole Devils Gullet area and the whole triangle from there to Lake Rowallan and Lake Parangana
- the access road to the walk to Rinadena Falls and the Little Fisher River, but not the bridge over the Little Fisher River or any of the walking track

The rest of the central plateau south of and including Fisher Bluff is okay.

The same fire (or a merge of two fires?) has done extensive damage to the area to the west of Borradaile Plains and to the February Plains. It has destroyed Basil Steers Hut No 2, but stopped, or was stopped, a few hundred metres short of reaching Basil Steers Hut No 1.
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Re: Fire alerts and track closures

Postby Thornbill » Wed 17 Feb, 2016 4:01 pm

Nice. You can also get a similar thing on ListMap http://maps.thelist.tas.gov.au.

Just add the Fire Boundaries layer under Emergency Management > Incident Feeds
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