Gov's biggest fuel reduction burn in states history

[north-north-west]

Richb,
You talk about a corrupt government, show us the corruption.

I don't want to get into a big political argument, but he may just be referring to the unhealthy relationship that existed between certain individuals and the Gunns Corporation.

[grant evans]

Was someone within the current government convicted of corruption?
If not why is this relevant to the current conversation?

[RichB]

Oh come on Australia has one of the most corrupt govt in the western world, havent you noticed?...As for PWS just go and have a look at Rocky Cape national Park especially the western end...Most of it is a blackened,burnt landscape and why..There is a small settlement there, so have they caused all this damage to the landscape and incinerated countless wildlife that cant escape,just to protect this small settlement of huts?...Why the hell do they allow humans to live and build houses in national Parks anyway, its pathetic. Why would tourists want to visit a national park in Tassie that is just totally burnt..My opinion of the Australian/Tasmanian Govt is that they are amongst the worst in the western world when it comes to the environment and wildlife and are probably on par with most 3rd world Govts...

[north-north-west]

Oh come on Australia has one of the most corrupt govt in the western world, havent you noticed?...As for PWS just go and have a look at Rocky Cape national Park especially the western end...Most of it is a blackened,burnt landscape and why..There is a small settlement there, so have they caused all this damage to the landscape and incinerated countless wildlife that cant escape,just to protect this small settlement of huts?...Why the hell do they allow humans to live and build houses in national Parks anyway, its pathetic. Why would tourists want to visit a national park in Tassie that is just totally burnt..My opinion of the Australian/Tasmanian Govt is that they are amongst the worst in the western world when it comes to the environment and wildlife and are probably on par with most 3rd world Govts...

[Travis22]

Wow!

RichB, i dont suppose you blame the govt for lightening too do you?

Travis.

[grant evans]

I ask again where's the proof, show me the facts, back up the rant with facts, otherwise it's just more blah,blah, blah.

[geoskid]

Oh come on Australia has one of the most corrupt govt in the western world, havent you noticed?...As for PWS just go and have a look at Rocky Cape national Park especially the western end...Most of it is a blackened,burnt landscape and why..There is a small settlement there, so have they caused all this damage to the landscape and incinerated countless wildlife that cant escape,just to protect this small settlement of huts?...Why the hell do they allow humans to live and build houses in national Parks anyway, its pathetic. Why would tourists want to visit a national park in Tassie that is just totally burnt..My opinion of the Australian/Tasmanian Govt is that they are amongst the worst in the western world when it comes to the environment and wildlife and are probably on par with most 3rd world Govts...

Yeah, where do you start.
Too hard. Unfortunately.

[corvus]

From memory the Shacks were there well before Rocky Cape was declared a National Park .

[geoskid]

From memory the Shacks were there well before Rocky Cape was declared a National Park .

Yes, theres's that.
Does that change your thinking at all Rich?

[icefest]

http://www.transparency.org/cpi2014/results

Australia last year was 11th least corrupt out of 175.

What do you base your assertion on?

[RichB]

Sorry but all I can say is bahaaaaaaa

[RichB]

Oh come on Australia has one of the most corrupt govt in the western world, havent you noticed?...As for PWS just go and have a look at Rocky Cape national Park especially the western end...Most of it is a blackened,burnt landscape and why..There is a small settlement there, so have they caused all this damage to the landscape and incinerated countless wildlife that cant escape,just to protect this small settlement of huts?...Why the hell do they allow humans to live and build houses in national Parks anyway, its pathetic. Why would tourists want to visit a national park in Tassie that is just totally burnt..My opinion of the Australian/Tasmanian Govt is that they are amongst the worst in the western world when it comes to the environment and wildlife and are probably on par with most 3rd world Govts...

Yeah, where do you start.
Too hard. Unfortunately.

You could start by thinking a little bit differently from the herd?

[geoskid]

Yeah, where do you start.
Too hard. Unfortunately.

You could start by thinking a little bit differently from the herd?

Sure, I'm all for that, but thinking should still be constrained by facts and reason.

[AndyP]

The problem is that the govts election promise was to burn 5% of public land per annum. This was based on the Victorain governments response to Black Saturday. However, its a low resolution, blanket approach which has proved almost completely unworkable in Victoria. Theoretically all public land should be burnt once every 20 years. Some high value areas can't be burnt at all. Others should only be burnt very rarely. This will mean that other areas need to be burnt more frequently to meet the target, resulting in adverse ecological outcomes.

The government needs to move to a more targetted, high resolution policy. There was some positive noise in the this regard from Rene Hidding, but Matt Groom (the minister responsible) has said that the 5% target stands. AND Parks are supposed to implement this despite severe funding cuts!

[Taurë-rana]

This explains the multiple fires on the western side of the Dial Range yesterday, but what surprised me was the number of patches of burnt treetops.Fuel reduction I can understand but would have thought it would be kept to ground level.

[north-north-west]

No matter how careful you are, fires get out of control occasionally. What you've seen is probably counted as 'collateral damage'.

[RichB]

They are state govt arsonists pure and simple..Its their job to light fires, they get paid to do what they are told.and they have no thought of the environmental damage they are doing and the damage to peoples health..

[RichB]

I read that they have just set fire YET AGAIN to Narawntapu National Park, a place of natural beauty and lots of wildlife..Must be one of the only countries in the world that burns national parks, killing untold amounts of wildlife....what a joke this useless Govt and it navvies are..

[tastrax]

I suggest you write to your local member of parliament rather than just ranting on here. You are not really putting forward any credible research to back your arguments.

[tastrax]

This explains the multiple fires on the western side of the Dial Range yesterday, but what surprised me was the number of patches of burnt treetops.Fuel reduction I can understand but would have thought it would be kept to ground level.

Unfortunately mid and upper level fuels also need to be reduced if you really want to slow major fires. It's generally not planned to reduce upper level fuels but if conditions are favourable then some fuels in these ranges may be reduced.

[corvus]

Well said tt,
This poster Br would rather save a Wombat than a Child from a fire and has absolutely no idea of preventative fire management ,more to be pitied than scolded I feel
The fire management was at the Northern end of the Park to protect the Human element who live in the Greens Beach area I believe.

[SteveJ]

why not be nice to each other.

[RichB]

Well said tt,
This poster Br would rather save a Wombat than a Child from a fire and has absolutely no idea of preventative fire management ,more to be pitied than scolded I feel
The fire management was at the Northern end of the Park to protect the Human element who live in the Greens Beach area I believe.

What makes you think and who told you a Wombats life was any less important than a childs.?..Looking forward to your pitiful answer actually?
I have no idea about preventative fire management in Tasmania, maybe not..but neither to PWS the pros??
Another smog ridden NW AGAIN today....Bet the people suffering from lung conditions love that, and of course all the wildlife that is incinerated or
pushed further out into human habitation to be shot or run over on our roads...You know what I pity you...

[MrWalker]

I'd expect that in small fire a wombat can hide in a burrow for a while and wallabies can run away. Whereas a big fire is going to kill everything.
So let's campaign for more small burns to avoid big fires and we'll save the wombats.

[corvus]

Well said tt,
This poster Br would rather save a Wombat than a Child from a fire and has absolutely no idea of preventative fire management ,more to be pitied than scolded I feel
The fire management was at the Northern end of the Park to protect the Human element who live in the Greens Beach area I believe.

What makes you think and who told you a Wombats life was any less important than a childs.?..Looking forward to your pitiful answer actually?
I have no idea about preventative fire management in Tasmania, maybe not..but neither to PWS the pros??
Another smog ridden NW AGAIN today....Bet the people suffering from lung conditions love that, and of course all the wildlife that is incinerated or
pushed further out into human habitation to be shot or run over on our roads...You know what I pity you...

Postby RichB » Thu 26 Mar, 2015 7:59 pm

"What about this scenario "bush fire" you have the choice of saving a Child or a Wombat or Devil or Tree what would your choice be ??"...My choice would be the Wombat or the Devil.. They are an endangered species which the human race plague certainly is not..Who says to you their lives are any less valuable than a human beings?? who..the Govt?

Your words I believe



If you cannot remember what you post I suggest you do some revision especially that you are now concerned about "the human race plague" people with health concerns , no smog in Devonport and I could only just see the Smoke over Badger Head on Tuesday also the road network in the area of the burn off has little traffic.

I am glad you feel pity for me as I am an animal loving older person (Wallabies,Bandicoots,Brush tails ,Ring tails ,Skinks,Blue Tongues,and Long Tailed Mice) all share my organic Suburban Garden which I am now finding harder to maintain as a result of my many Ailments,what is your excuse for your Rants.

[geoskid]

What makes you think and who told you a Wombats life was any less important than a childs.?..Looking forward to your pitiful answer .

It's an evolutionary thing. Of course , there is no "who" that dictates these things.
Looking backwards at these sorts of questions is fraught with traps. Work up from somewhere around the start of primates and it all falls into place (you do need to put some effort into understanding the basics of evolution though.)
There is plenty of room for outlyers in a population though.

[north-north-west]

I'd expect that in small fire a wombat can hide in a burrow for a while and wallabies can run away. Whereas a big fire is going to kill everything.
So let's campaign for more small burns to avoid big fires and we'll save the wombats.

Over-simplified, but essentially my attitude. One cannot guarantee complete safety for all wildlife, but the small mosaic burns as done by Aboriginal people for millennia are far better than occasional very big hot fires.
You don't do it everywhere, but there are areas where it's the best option. Unless you'd like to depopulate the entire continent.

[Nuts]

So long as not random or adhoc.
Areas burnt that haven't been, then policy changes with government changes/ being held to a political numbers rather than a scientific ones, a single fire that gets where it's not meant to then there are actually people who just love fires .. even as a career, even arsonists found within our services.. I too think the park service/fire crew, at least, does a great job. I wonder if they need to use general park staff for the additional burns?

[north-north-west]

I may say more about this in future but, having been up close and personal with some of this current series of burns, there needs to be a serious rethink of the procedures.