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Re: Sleeping bag

Postby wayno » Fri 10 Jul, 2015 3:07 am

aloftas wrote:well, I have to say, after a lay downin it with cotton tee shirt and denims...it feels great. So great in fact that I am tempted to go buy the one with the Gore-Tex outer...as well.
30% off a grand is about 600 plus or minus a cats whisker.
it is cheap.
on weight,

better a goose down in the pack than a chocky in the pocky.

being "too hot" in Alpine conditions will not kill you...in the main...but, when the "big 3" loom, if any of the "Big 4" fail, there must be a contingency.

B



being too hot you will sweat into the bag, make the down damp and it will loose its loft and heat. down is like a sponge for moisture... on cold trips, you wont be able to get rid of moisture, it will just accumulate... down is far from perfect. CHOOSING AND MANAGING YOUR INSULATION CORRECTLY SHOULDNT BE UNDER ESTIMATED, I've learned the hardware from 35 years in the mountains
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Re: Sleeping bag

Postby aloftas » Fri 10 Jul, 2015 6:07 am

Thanks Wayno, I do carry on at times...
I will say this, I woke up, feeling "oh gee my toes are warm...my back feels sweet, my chest is warm...."
I felt rested, ready to go, and that was at early 5:00 am..

Is the bag too hot?

Probably...

will I sweat it out?

I doubt it..
Use the functionality as the first 3 levels of thermal mitigation...
1 open the zip
2lay with bag on top
3 let some air in/out/manage condensation

I may be wrong...


I may yet buy a couple more of different types, so if I am, it wont matter...

If I am not, it will be nice to have a choice, and still cheaper than paying for one of the private and expensive huts?

I am an elitist only in the cats whiskers department...

I like gear, I like the development over the years and I like different levels and stages.
Fir example, I have two 4 season tents.. A Plateau and a Minaret

If I end up with 3 -40 bags, each with different qualities, not only will it look *&%$#! hot and thus furnish the "social currency/street cred/responsibility factors alive

It will also enable others to share them.

I will probable never buy a cool bag again.

By the time you add into the equation liners, ventilation and sleeping system

Say I put one of these top notch bags into a goretex bivy with a fly sheet over the top?

Sleep sprawled out like a cat with my elbows and toes out?

Coz Im too hot?

Am I likely to be oversweating if I am like that?

Anyway, my first night in/under the bag was that it was warm, but no sweat. but noticeably warm.

It is black as well so would absorb the rads to possibly dry out. Has a dry sac.

Key appears to be able to manage condensation.

I will get a dehumidifier and test this out
Thanks for the tip :)
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Re: Sleeping bag

Postby Jeffoir1 » Sat 11 Jul, 2015 9:21 pm

One Planet make excellent bags. Warm, durable and value for money. A nice silk bag-liner is a reasonably light weight (100gm) way of adding warmth without too much additional weight. Also if you are planning on sleeping in the huts, you will be dry, and out of the wind. Safe travels, Jeffoir.
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Re: Sleeping bag

Postby aloftas » Sat 11 Jul, 2015 11:56 pm

Jeffoir1 wrote:One Planet make excellent bags. Warm, durable and value for money. A nice silk bag-liner is a reasonably light weight (100gm) way of adding warmth without too much additional weight. Also if you are planning on sleeping in the huts, you will be dry, and out of the wind. Safe travels, Jeffoir.




Ohk then, I confess..the "cats whisker over 30% was another 50% more.
So, I paid $550....rrp $999

So, just so the maths isn't diluted by errancy of figures. So, 45% off...not 30.

It never was $700.

it was $550

Just so the facts are on the table

So, the argument that "$700 is too much for a bag, is wrong, silly and basically ridiculous considering the OLT requires a -10 c bag anyway . and lots of people are happy to have a range of products etc etc ..

Its gonna cost ya something.
in this case $550.
anyway....




it IS an expensive caper...
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Re: Sleeping bag

Postby Travis22 » Sun 12 Jul, 2015 12:43 am

Have you weighed that bad boy yet Aloftas?


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Re: Sleeping bag

Postby stry » Sun 12 Jul, 2015 8:29 am

I do not like to be cold when my body is trying to recover for the next day. A good bag is money well spent.

As most of us know. the RRP of brands like MacPac is a bit of a joke, but the sale prices, such the OP obtained, provide a good product at a good price, so well done !

Weight and packed bulk may be an issue but personal tradeoffs probably come into play there. One thing is for sure - you will not be cold :D
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Re: Sleeping bag

Postby aloftas » Sun 12 Jul, 2015 10:56 am

Travis22 wrote:Have you weighed that bad boy yet Aloftas?


Travis.

Yeah Travis, it came in at just under a tonne.....fits in a container...

So, I did a pack up and pack down and a weigh in yesterday.
The Big 5

Pack Deuter Quantum 70+10 its 3100 g from memory
Tent Minaret .......................1857
Pegs and poles ......................521
Goretex +_1/2 mat (inflatable)..1600
Sleeping bag ........................2000


So Travis, 2kg.

about the amount of inordinate crap that some would take for "comfort" food.

I am up for 17 kg, with two paperback books....my msr dragonfly stove plus two trang burners for back up,
a pulsar jacket, my Mont Icicle jacket, (One down, one synthetic)
+thermarest neo air 2.2kg of freeze dried food... and God forbid a WHOLE roll of toilet paper....although I did manage to take out the carboard inner and put my dental floss in the hole before I vacummed the bejeezus out of it. etc etc

I too, hate being cold.

And, where there is wind chill, plus evaporative cooling as well as fatigue and nutrition, the last thing I want to convince myself of is that "Im ok" as my metabolism slows, and all of a sudden the easy becomes the impossible.

Biut that is just me.

Plus, I have a Outdoor Research goretex bivvy coming from ebay which weighs little, so I like the choices it gives me.

Anyway....
I have said too much.

Obviously not much has changed in the intellectual elitism that this pursuit always seems to engender.

Doesn't matter how smart you are, Jack Frost is no respecter of degrees...well, only Kelvin.


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Re: Sleeping bag

Postby aloftas » Sun 12 Jul, 2015 11:07 am

stry wrote:I do not like to be cold when my body is trying to recover for the next day. A good bag is money well spent.

As most of us know. the RRP of brands like MacPac is a bit of a joke, but the sale prices, such the OP obtained, provide a good product at a good price, so well done !

Weight and packed bulk may be an issue but personal tradeoffs probably come into play there. One thing is for sure - you will not be cold :D

Thank you\


It packs down to didley squat..I would expect no less from a military spec bag.
I have emailed macpac for the full specs, which they may or may not, disclose.

I suggest any who are weighing up the tradeoffs involved here, forget about prancing like a jack rabbit that "mere 10 ks" and absorb the fact that it may be you, or one of yours cast like a ewe beside that 16 inch wide board walk.

Not a nice place to be in two feet of snow.

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Re: Sleeping bag

Postby aloftas » Sun 12 Jul, 2015 11:18 am

Strider wrote:If I was spending $700 on sleeping gear it would be a summer quilt and a winter quilt. This amount on one (albeit very specialised) sleeping bag is incredibly expensive. Even One Planet and Western Mountaineering bags are cheaper than this. The fact it isn't on the website and uses the cheapest possible down makes me wonder if its a one off for some kind of re-enactment display.

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yes, I agree....so we ARE all clear? I paid $550.

Reason I didn't disclose was twofold, but primarily I prefer to keep business confidences just that, and the second reason is ancillary to the first.

I have a "summer" quilt.

I now have this, as well.

And yes, I AM serious.
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Re: Sleeping bag

Postby hobbitle » Sun 12 Jul, 2015 12:03 pm

aloftas' posts are interesting but damn they make my brain hurt.


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Re: Sleeping bag

Postby aloftas » Sun 12 Jul, 2015 4:49 pm

hobbitle wrote:aloftas' posts are interesting but damn they make my brain hurt.


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I will take that asa compliment.

To Quote Macpac

"Designed to deliver life preserving warmth in the worlds extreme and inhospitable environments.

1100 grams of 750 loft European Goose down Under UN 13537 testing standard to -40 centigrade.

Pertex Endurance Outer waterproof and breathable fabric.

Down Collar design

Trapeziodal Baffles


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Re: Sleeping bag

Postby wayno » Sun 12 Jul, 2015 4:52 pm

they missed out the bit where it says , not to be used outside of the polar regions or below 6000m :mrgreen:
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Re: Sleeping bag

Postby aloftas » Sun 12 Jul, 2015 4:57 pm

wayno wrote:they missed out the bit where it says , not to be used outside of the polar regions or below 6000m :mrgreen:

and here was me thinking I had had the best nights sleep ever, at sea level, admittedly, sprawled out like a cat...



oh hang on it says:

"DO NOT USE IN THE JELLY SEA"


Oh the fine print makes my brian(sic) numb.
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Re: Sleeping bag

Postby wayno » Sun 12 Jul, 2015 5:00 pm

aloftas wrote:
wayno wrote:they missed out the bit where it says , not to be used outside of the polar regions or below 6000m :mrgreen:

and here was me thinking I had had the best nights sleep ever, at sea level, admittedly, sprawled out like a cat...



oh hang on it says:

"DO NOT USE IN THE JELLY SEA"


Oh the fine print makes my brian(sic) numb.


Good on you, wouldnt work for me, i'd fill it up wth sweat
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Re: Sleeping bag

Postby aloftas » Sun 12 Jul, 2015 5:04 pm

horses for courses...I fully intend to use my "less efficient" bags during milder weather...
it looks kinda snowy out and about....

I guess sweat mitigation comes with the ability to ventilate and use the thing as a quilt..which I will have to, as I will be using the foot bucket to proof my dough...

joking...joking....


peace.

back in the day, survivability was the primary focus...

Anyway, as I said, I do carry on.
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Re: Sleeping bag

Postby Travis22 » Sun 12 Jul, 2015 7:46 pm

2kg... Thought it might have been a bit less but still not bad for a bag suitable for keeping warm sleeping on snow.

As a comparison, the One Planet Bushlite -15:

Temp rating to EN 13537, -36degC.
(-8 comfort, -15 transition, -36 extreme)
'Sale' price $550
Weight 1.295kg.

Yours should be a little bit warmer. But the OP Bushlight -15 is still a hell of a great bag for the money, features and weight.

Does yours have a full zip or 3/4?

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Re: Sleeping bag

Postby aloftas » Sun 12 Jul, 2015 8:20 pm

Travis22 wrote:2kg... Thought it might have been a bit less but still not bad for a bag suitable for keeping warm sleeping on snow.

As a comparison, the One Planet Bushlite -15:

Temp rating to EN 13537, -36degC.
(-8 comfort, -15 transition, -36 extreme)
'Sale' price $550
Weight 1.295kg.

Yours should be a little bit warmer. But the OP Bushlight -15 is still a hell of a great bag for the money, features and weight.

Does yours have a full zip or 3/4?
Travis.

Full down to the foot bucket.
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Re: Sleeping bag

Postby hobbitle » Sun 12 Jul, 2015 10:12 pm

Travis22 wrote:'Sale' price $550
.

Where from?


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Re: Sleeping bag

Postby Strider » Sun 12 Jul, 2015 10:20 pm

hobbitle wrote:
Travis22 wrote:'Sale' price $550
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Where from?


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Re: Sleeping bag

Postby Travis22 » Sun 12 Jul, 2015 10:43 pm

I bought mine from one of the dealers in Melbourne, i wouldnt buy a bag (or anything that expensive) online without trying it out for fit and that it meets your expectations in person.

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Re: Sleeping bag

Postby philm » Tue 14 Jul, 2015 9:11 am

Agree with all ther comments above.

Its generally best to have a warmer bag rather than one in which you will be too cold. If its warm you can sleep in the liner and/or use the sleeping bag as a quilt (assuming it has full length zips that you can open up - some bags do not).
In Tassie the weather can be unpredictable. I was there in March and took a one plantet Zepher (-1 comfort / -7 lower limit) and tempuratures were around +7 degrees most nights - I was too warm in the bag so used a liner and the bag as a quilt.

On one night we had a snow storm and with wind chill it was down to about -10 degrees and my sleeping bag was great - nice and warm.

I guess my experience just demonstrates the need for a warmer bag to deal with any extremes you may find - a cold bag can lead to a difficult night.

I would also suggest taking a warmer bag - you may not need it but it is good insurance.
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Re: Sleeping bag

Postby aloftas » Tue 14 Jul, 2015 9:36 am

it is merely the insurance factor.

anyway....lets see if the laconic theorists are as warm as us thermal alarmists...

I actually closed mine up last night...
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Re: Sleeping bag

Postby nitro » Tue 22 Sep, 2015 7:07 pm

Instead of making a new thread, I thought I would throw this out here. I have a Western Mountaineering Highlite 2 degree bag and was doing the OLT in december. Would this be unwise or should I take a lower rating bag? First time on the OLT.
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Re: Sleeping bag

Postby aloftas » Tue 22 Sep, 2015 8:27 pm

LOL...I am here, so I will throw my experiences of this bag I bought.
I have had the opinions of a guide who said "It gives you something to look forward to after a long day, and could save a life"

The other, a retired school teacher outdoor ed guy said, after I had emptied my pack, 'That bag is the best thing you have got"

Why be cold?

I love poking my toe out and feeling the nip in th e air.

So, besides the laughter that you don't need an extreme bag, at 2 kilo im Sooooo not unhappy to have it.

I think you are bonkers if you don't have at least one "sanctuary" type environment, the bag, then the tent, then the mat.

Anyway, the Book says a -10 bag.

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Re: Sleeping bag

Postby nitro » Tue 22 Sep, 2015 8:52 pm

Which book are you referring to aloftas?
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Re: Sleeping bag

Postby kitty » Tue 22 Sep, 2015 9:05 pm

He might mean the "Checklist" you sign nowadays when you walk the OLT during the booking season. It says -10degC "minimum".
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Re: Sleeping bag

Postby nitro » Tue 22 Sep, 2015 9:18 pm

Thanks Kitty. That must be it. I guess the WM Highlite is out of the question then.
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Re: Sleeping bag

Postby corvus » Tue 22 Sep, 2015 9:29 pm

Personally down here in Tassie I use a -5% water resistant Shell Ethical Down bag summer and winter ,if it gets hot unzip if colder put on some extra layers that you already are carrying :) it is also good to have a reasonable sleeping mat about around 2.7 rating enjoy your walk :)
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Re: Sleeping bag

Postby nitro » Tue 22 Sep, 2015 10:35 pm

Thanks Corvus. Can I ask what bag you have? The idea of ethical down is new to me.
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Re: Sleeping bag

Postby aloftas » Wed 23 Sep, 2015 8:30 am

nitro wrote:Thanks Corvus. Can I ask what bag you have? The idea of ethical down is new to me.

Hi Nitro. Ethical down, is down which has been sourced with the consideration of the goose from which the down is sourced. I am not an expert on down, but I do believe that there have been abuses in husbandry techniques with geese being plucked alive etc. So the down comes from a distressed bird. Down will not function as an insulator when wet. (Hyperdry down has a water repellent polymer sprayed onto it which prevents this loss of loft.) So, a water proof/resistant shell will prevent this, its called the Down going down. No loft. No insulation. The problem with not having contingencies is if you are forced to alter you intended plans due to unforseen circumstance. Some one sprains an ankle...it rains it blows. And it DOES rain and blow.
Particularly given the unstable climatic conditions we are forecast to experience, I think it speaks to the imperative of survival, to have the best gear, with the widest range of redundancies and contingencies preplanned for instant execution depending on the prevailing conditions. All in 4 season conditions.

That's how its done, getting down, ethically.

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