Active insulation Macpac Pisa

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Re: Active insulation Macpac Pisa

Postby Moondog55 » Sat 06 Apr, 2019 11:03 am

Macpacs total lack of QC on sizing is apparent on the newer unit. Shorter in the torso by a full 22mm, the sleeves are longer by about the same and they are slimmer cut as is the chest and shoulders, definitely a try before you buy garment if possible. If it wasn't for the longer sleeves I would have said it was a mislabled XL
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Re: Active insulation Macpac Pisa

Postby Ms_Mudd » Thu 09 May, 2019 5:42 pm

The womens version is on sale for $135. I keep putting one in my cart and then not pulling the trigger on it.

Did a walk for a lunch at 1500 metres today, we have snow predicted tomorrow so my lunch spot was a bit 'fresh', but amazing :D :D :D
I took too many redundancies up with me today, as I do get twitchy when it may snow. When stopped, I donned my old MD (?Illawong) fleece, it is dense and works well for the most part even without a windshirt , but it is HEAVY at 600grams. It is super bulky even when rolled down tight.4
Not such a problem today when a heavier daypack is no big deal over 20kmish km's, but with all my overnight gear, I reckon I could probably go lighter.

I did walk with the MD fleece on, but only a short while after restarting after lunch. Other than that, even early this morning, I just wore my MD Superdry baselayer 1/4 zip with my merino vest -thank you workplace uniform order- and got myself moving to stay warm. I think there is a gap in my wardrobe here, a spot that needs to be filled by something packable, reasonably weighted and warm/wearable while walking in the cold. Do you Pisa owners think this could be a good addition for me? Would be superb if it was, as farrrr more affordable than any other options I have looked at.
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Re: Active insulation Macpac Pisa

Postby Moondog55 » Thu 09 May, 2019 9:25 pm

I guess it depends a lot on what you wear under it. I haven't had a chance to wear mine in below freezing conditions yet.
Bear in mind I don't think it is as warm as a 200 Polartec plus shell but it is lighter, more like an old fashioned 100 microfleece plus windshirt and about the same comfort level
I like the cut too but it isn't cut skinny so some of my existing gear won't work with it, it will not layer underneath my Uniqlo parka for instance. All I can say is that I liked mine well enough to buy a second one
Up at Falls Creek it was around 11C with a wind, I was warm enough sitting reading a book wearing mine over a base layer T-shirt with my back to the breeze if that helps.
My intention is to use it to replace my own Polartec 200 for this winter and see how it performs with different base layers, from the UL thru the Cap 4 to the R1
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Re: Active insulation Macpac Pisa

Postby Moondog55 » Thu 09 May, 2019 9:32 pm

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I bought 10YO Femme a Macpac down jumper because I don't want her being cold after skiing, the womens version of the Arrowsmith
https://www.macpac.co.nz/clearance/wome ... &start=123
I bought her a womens 12 and it just layers over a girls 12 synthetic top, if you just happen to be around that size I think an Arrowsmith a size up would layer very well over a Pisa
Mens Arrowsmiths are almost exactly the same cut as the womens
https://www.macpac.co.nz/down-insulated ... BDS-S.html
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Re: Active insulation Macpac Pisa

Postby slparker » Fri 10 May, 2019 12:14 am

@ms mudd - The Pisa is probably what you’re after. It will be good for walking in cold humid and drizzly weather but would need a puffy vest to boost warmth when static. I generally walk in just a base and wind shirt but have the Pisa in mind for x country skiing. I can’t imagine wanting to wear any more than a base under it. If that, it is designed to work as a next to skin layer.
I see it as a different garment than Moondog does - to me it is an active layer in cold damp conditions; as I run hot and sweat freely - a thick base layer under it would trap sweat; so if I need more insulation I’ll put a puffy over it. My main consideration is dealing with sweat and wind in cold weather.
The shell is wind resistant only, which is a bonus as it is designed to sweat in and dry quickly. It is very light and cheap for the warmth it provides, I have to say.
I can actually see it doubling as a sleeping top. Take off the damp base layer when the tent is erected and just wear the Pisa next to skin. It is very snuggly.
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Re: Active insulation Macpac Pisa

Postby Moondog55 » Fri 10 May, 2019 10:04 am

I can see it doing double duty as per slparkers post but bearing in mind it is more wind resistant than something like the Patagonia Nano-Air or Nano-Air lite
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Re: Active insulation Macpac Pisa

Postby Ms_Mudd » Fri 10 May, 2019 1:45 pm

Thank you for the replies Moondog and slparker. Sounds like this bit of clothing will fit the bill nicely for me, can see it getting a lot of use. I haven't bought anything specifically lighter weight for winter and have made do with what I have, but the pisa coming in at half the weight of my fleece and at a sale price seems like a good time to do it.

The Halo down does look snuggly and also at a great sale price, but in my inexperience in the snow and the likelihood that any snow here is likely to be a wet, short lived affair, think I will be safer with the synthetic pisa.
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Re: Active insulation Macpac Pisa

Postby Moondog55 » Fri 10 May, 2019 2:22 pm

Different clothing for different jobs. The Pisa is definitely an active layer and any down clothing I consider static insulation until the temperature drops below-25C although even then I would most likely choose synthetic. It is pouring with rain here and a cool 11C with a stiff breeze of 30knots, apparent temperature of 3C.
I just wore mine to see the doctor and while it isn't remotely waterproof it never felt wet and it dried off rapidly in the waiting room, I was feeling very cold so I was wearing my Cap 4 layer under it.
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Re: Active insulation Macpac Pisa

Postby Ms_Mudd » Fri 10 May, 2019 11:47 pm

That's great performance to not feel wet in those conditions. Excellent.
I just bought one. Hope sizing is okay for me. I got a 10 as I figured would only have thin baselayer under it. 12's are typically too roomy or reserved for my outer layers. Hard to know without seeing them in store. Fingers crossed!
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Re: Active insulation Macpac Pisa

Postby Moondog55 » Wed 15 May, 2019 4:37 pm

I'll be interested in your take on the garment Ms_Mudd. Having tried it out every day over the week I think it is too warm to wear when it isn't around freezing, the shell making it a very effective layering piece
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Re: Active insulation Macpac Pisa

Postby Ms_Mudd » Wed 15 May, 2019 8:47 pm

I intend to give it a good run. I have 7 nights worth of walking planned over the next 6 weeks , both up here where snow is a real chance as well as the Blue Mts, where I expect it will be very cold also. I am hoping like crazy I got the sizing right, seeing as it is meant to be next to skin or just over a baselayer I thought it was better to buy my actual size.
I am pleased you are finding yours so warm. Halving the weight of my midlayer will be quite a win for me if it works out as well for me.
Will update once I have it and have used it a bit, just excitedly in the checking the PO Box phase now ;-)
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Re: Active insulation Macpac Pisa

Postby Moondog55 » Sun 02 Jun, 2019 12:03 pm

Well it has been cold and wet for a couple of weeks now Ms Mudd, Have you formed an opinion on it yet>??
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Re: Active insulation Macpac Pisa

Postby Ms_Mudd » Sun 02 Jun, 2019 3:41 pm

Would you believe it only came last Tuesday?! I had to phone Macpac and ask where it was. I had ordered a spork with the jacket, having lost mine sometime ago, and it was out of stock and holding the order up. Once I phoned them and told them to omit the spork, the jacket came. Ironically not in time for a big 20+km day walk I did on the Tuesday where I encountered a light dusting of snow.
It was at home though as I returned from my walk, I put it on once I got back and had my daughter snap a pic of me in it, not a great pic and my face is windburned from that day's cold mountain activities, you can see my daypack in the background, I literally dumped the pack and tore open the parcel :lol: I was happy with the fit, it is over a lightweight polartec tshirt and MD super dry 1/4 zip long sleeve baselayer here. I have only used it once around town on a cold , but clear morning where I went walking for only about 8km without a pack. It did a nice job or regulating body temp and it felt dry when I took it off. Thought I may have overheated due to the sun being out, but there was a super chilly, blustering wind. The fabric stopped the wind cutting through, but I still felt like there was enough of a slight airflow getting through to help with moisture management if that makes sense?

The one thing I didn't like is the feel of the lining on my hands. In Winter us nurses/midwives get chapped hands from washing them so much and I found that the rough bits on my hands were catching on the lining when using the pockets, I really haaaate that sensation, it feels gross. Easily alleviated with more moisturising I guess?!

I impressed with how lightweight it is , less than half the weight of the fleece I hope it will replace and am keen to give it some more testing this week.
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Re: Active insulation Macpac Pisa

Postby Moondog55 » Sun 02 Jun, 2019 3:50 pm

Try Eulactol on your hands rather than a sorbolene based hand cream. My own has a similar fit, close but not tight
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Re: Active insulation Macpac Pisa

Postby Ms_Mudd » Sun 02 Jun, 2019 5:25 pm

Will give the eulactol a go, it is seriously a constant battle in winter for my hands not to break down.

Yes, was pretty happy with the fit of it and how it was cut at the back, it is a nice length that will still easily cover my back when sitting down or bending.

Thanks for starting the thread, as I had been looking and looking at the Pisa since it had been listed on sale, the price was great and a lighter weight active layer is exactly what I was needing. In other winter layering news, I bought some waterproof socks (Antu) rather than using breadbags with my trail runners, will give them a try in the next week too.
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