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Re: Feral Cats

Postby ILUVSWTAS » Sat 17 Jul, 2010 9:23 pm

I have a Cat. We do not let her out after dark. She is a real scardy cat though who is terrified of our chooks. She has killed mice but I THINK that's about all. Feral cats are NOTHING like domestic cats. People need to realise this.
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Re: Feral Cats

Postby ollster » Sat 17 Jul, 2010 9:42 pm

On the subject of feral animals - when will all the trout be eliminated from our waterways? I find it disgusting that they protected when they are quite simply an introduced species that kill our native fish species.
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Re: Feral Cats

Postby flyfisher » Sat 17 Jul, 2010 10:03 pm

Yep, lets get rid of all the ferals :shock:

Probably willows would be good too. :D

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Re: Feral Cats

Postby ollster » Sat 17 Jul, 2010 10:22 pm

Feral lettuce?! Well now I've heard everything. :mrgreen:
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Re: Feral Cats

Postby Macca81 » Sun 18 Jul, 2010 12:02 pm

ollster wrote:Feral lettuce?! Well now I've heard everything. :mrgreen:

you should see it when its backed into a corner!!! :shock: :shock: :shock:
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Re: Feral Cats

Postby Tony » Sun 18 Jul, 2010 12:37 pm

flyfisher wrote:Yep, lets get rid of all the ferals, cats, dogs, pigs, goats, horses,chooks,sheep,etc.

Probably willows would be good and radiata pines,tulips, poppies,lettuce, pumpkin,cabbage etc etc etc :wink: :wink:

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Re: Feral Cats

Postby Macca81 » Sun 18 Jul, 2010 1:59 pm

trout taste nice tho... and bring a number of people into the state for the sole reason of catching them... they do have positives as well as negatives...
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Re: Feral Cats

Postby ILUVSWTAS » Sun 18 Jul, 2010 4:19 pm

Macca81 wrote:trout taste nice tho... and bring a number of people into the state for the sole reason of catching them... they do have positives as well as negatives...


Same could be said for rabbit and fox though, not that i've eaten fox.
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Re: Feral Cats

Postby BarryJ » Sun 18 Jul, 2010 4:30 pm

Tony wrote:..................................

And don't forget that trout are feral too.

From Wikipedia: A feral organism is one that has escaped from domestication and returned, partly or wholly, to a wild state.

To the best of my knowledge, the trout that were released in Tasmania weren't domesticated and therefore they aren't feral. Definitely "introduced" though.
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Re: Feral Cats

Postby Tony » Sun 18 Jul, 2010 5:35 pm

BarryJ wrote:
Tony wrote:..................................

And don't forget that trout are feral too.

From Wikipedia: A feral organism is one that has escaped from domestication and returned, partly or wholly, to a wild state.

To the best of my knowledge, the trout that were released in Tasmania weren't domesticated and therefore they aren't feral. Definitely "introduced" though.


Hi Barry,

Technically you are right, the trout introduced here were from wild stock but I still look at them as feral as on the mainland at least, trout are responsible for wiping out native fish from ecosystems, they are one of the few introduced speicies that are protected.

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Re: Feral Cats

Postby flyfisher » Sun 18 Jul, 2010 5:55 pm

I don't think we had too many native fish here when white men came (or when trout were introduced) that are not still here. Somebody with more knowledge on the subject may come to the rescue here.
Trout are a favoured fish in Tas as in N.Z.due to the pleasure they bring to many people. They also do help our economy and provide employment
I think many of our introduced species are here to stay because we like/need them. :wink:
I can understand the mainland situation tho where there are /were many native species that trout compete with. :x
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Re: Feral Cats

Postby BarryJ » Sun 18 Jul, 2010 6:04 pm

The IFS are also charged with the protection of native fish and work very hard towards that end. They have been known to lay charges against people attempting to transfer trout into waters which are currently free of trout.
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Re: Feral Cats

Postby Macca81 » Sun 18 Jul, 2010 6:04 pm

geoskid wrote:nothing but the best of several brands will do :)
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Re: Feral Cats

Postby Tony » Sun 18 Jul, 2010 8:53 pm

Did a little bit of googling and came up with this info on the impact of trout on native fish.

http://www2.mdbc.gov.au/subs/fish-info/ ... trout.html
Impacts on Native Fish
As with Rainbow trout, Brown trout has had a serious impact on the distribution and abundance of south-east Australia’s native galaxiids, such as Mountain galaxias and Barred galaxias. Brown trout is suspected of having deleterious impacts on Trout cod and Macquarie perch and a number of other threatened native species. Trout species are also thought to impact on a number of threatened frogs, such as the Spotted tree frog (Litoria spenceri).


http://www.nativefish.asn.au/exotics.html#trout
Trout have been implicated in the decline of several native fish species, notably Galaxias fuscus and Galaxias olidus as well as the spotted tree frog Litoria spenceri. In Tasmania, trout are now virtually the only species found in many waters and freshwater fisheries management seems to be focused entirely upon the management of trout.


http://www.ifs.tas.gov.au/ifs/fisheryma ... nativefish (From the site Macca81 referenced)
Trout can have a negative impact on some native fish, either directly through predation or indirectly, by competing for food and habitat.
Only a few waters within Tasmania remain trout free, and the Service is committed to maintaining this status for the conservation of native species. It is a serious offence, therefore, to transfer any fish from one water body to another, even to a different section of the same stream.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasive_s ... _Australia
Invasive freshwater fish species in Australia include carp, brown trout, rainbow trout, redfin perch, mosquitofish (Gambusia spp), weather loach, and spotted tilapia to name a few. Some introduced freshwater fish species have had devastating impacts on Australia's endemic freshwater fish species and other native aquatic life. For example in much of south eastern Australia's freshwater systems introduced carp (often incorrectly called "European" carp) dominate the lowland reaches, while introduced trout species almost completely dominate the upland reaches. While the damaging impact of carp is well recognised, little in the way of control measures have been employed to control their spread. Their ability to colonise almost any body of water, even those previously considered to be beyond their physical tolerances, is now well established.


This site also has some information
http://www.nlwra.gov.au/projects/3635
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Re: Feral Cats

Postby tasadam » Sun 18 Jul, 2010 9:00 pm

I am amused at how a topic on feral cats (which as I recall was split from another topic) has evolved into a discussion about trout and other fish.

Oh, I get it. Cats eat fish. I guess that keeps it on topic. :wink:
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Re: Feral Cats

Postby ILUVSWTAS » Sun 18 Jul, 2010 9:25 pm

I think the topic should have just been about feral animals, cats are just the obvious ones to pick on as they cause the most damage to the natives.
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Re: Feral Cats

Postby flyfisher » Sun 18 Jul, 2010 9:35 pm

Sounds good to me ILUVSWTAS. :D
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Re: Feral Cats

Postby Tony » Mon 19 Jul, 2010 5:34 am

ILUVSWTAS wrote:I think the topic should have just been about feral animals, cats are just the obvious ones to pick on as they cause the most damage to the natives.


There is one introduced speicies that causes much more damage to our natives.
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Re: Feral Cats

Postby ILUVSWTAS » Mon 19 Jul, 2010 5:42 am

I think the damage THAT introduced species has done is loooong beyond any redemption.
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Re: Feral Cats

Postby flyfisher » Mon 19 Jul, 2010 6:52 am

I don't think trout do much damage to natives in Tasmania, certainly not comparable to feral cats.
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Re: Feral Cats

Postby ILUVSWTAS » Mon 19 Jul, 2010 7:20 am

Well I know you have an interst in the matter (hence your usesname) FF.
But the links put up previously suggest the introduced trout ARE having an impact on alot of the native fresh water species in Tasmania.

As someone said, Fisheries have some pretty harsh fines for anyone introducing species into a waterway that is free of the brown and rainbow trout.
Would they do that if there was no impact on the Galaxies species? Or the many shrimp species found in our fresh water systems??
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Re: Feral Cats

Postby BarryJ » Mon 19 Jul, 2010 7:33 am

ILUVSWTAS wrote:Well I know you have an interst in the matter (hence your usesname) FF.
But the links put up previously suggest the introduced trout ARE having an impact on alot of the native fresh water species in Tasmania.

As someone said, Fisheries have some pretty harsh fines for anyone introducing species into a waterway that is free of the brown and rainbow trout.
Would they do that if there was no impact on the Galaxies species? Or the many shrimp species found in our fresh water systems??

The fines for transferring fish illegally apply even if the water already contains trout. Stocking MUST be authorised. In many waters, an equilibrium has been established over the last 100-150 years between trout and natives and the IFS also work hard to monitor and maintain that equilibrium.
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Re: Feral Cats

Postby Son of a Beach » Mon 19 Jul, 2010 12:09 pm

I've heard there was one species of fish that was found only in Lake Pedder and nowhere else. When the river was dammed and Pedder was flooded and stocked with trout some of these fish were caught and moved to Lake Oberon. There are now none left in the Pedder system at all, having been completely wiped out by the trout (although the damming probably didn't help either), and they are still doing OK in Oberon. However, who knows what else was in Oberon that this native fish might have now wiped out?

Who knows how may other lakes and rivers had fish that were not documented before being wiped out 100 years ago? I suspect there were probably not many, but we really don't know for sure.

Having said that... I love bushwalking with fly fishers - I get to eat fresh fish after walking all day! :-)
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Re: Feral Cats

Postby BarryJ » Mon 19 Jul, 2010 12:25 pm

What you heard is correct Nik. It's documented here:
http://www.ifs.tas.gov.au/ifs/IFSDataba ... r-galaxias

More info on endangered native species here:
http://www.ifs.tas.gov.au/ifs/fisheryma ... ed-species
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Re: Feral Animals

Postby ollster » Mon 19 Jul, 2010 1:31 pm

I've been considering getting a gill net to take bushwalking to get some trout. Personally I don't have a problem with doing this, and consider it a public service. Comments welcome. :wink:
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Re: Feral Animals

Postby ILUVSWTAS » Mon 19 Jul, 2010 1:40 pm

As your a regular companion of mine and would be feeding us some lovely fresh fish, I see no problem here.... :twisted:
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Re: Feral Animals

Postby ollster » Mon 19 Jul, 2010 2:13 pm

ILUVSWTAS wrote:As your a regular companion of mine and would be feeding us some lovely fresh fish, I see no problem here.... :twisted:


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Re: Feral Animals

Postby flyfisher » Mon 19 Jul, 2010 5:49 pm

I would class it as"procuring" a trout and I don't think it would worry too many people (wouldn't worry me) :shock:
As Barry J says the balance between trout and natives was established long ago, although it probably was to the detriment of some species. :(
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Re: Feral Animals

Postby ILUVSWTAS » Mon 19 Jul, 2010 5:54 pm

Thanks FF!
I know a couple of times we've had a drunken peakbagging trip up the northeast camping at the griffin campsite (right next to the rifle shooting, trail bike riding locals who kept us up all night with these social activities) I have wandered down to the South esk to fill my bottle by head torch, only to spy a nice sized trout swim into my light, this happened on 2 seperate occasions
We commented then how a net would be a handy tool.....
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Re: Feral Animals

Postby PeterJ » Mon 19 Jul, 2010 6:13 pm

A friend who has a bit of property in the countryside told me how he decides when to shoot a cat he has caught. You see he puts out cages and when he checks the cat, if it snarls at him the bullet goes in quick, but if it meows then he thinks about it and may take it to the strays centre.

He has been very successful because he now has lots of quolls and other native species on his property. A great result I say.
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