If the science about cats and their impact on biodiversity is this unreliable,...
RonK wrote:Why so much fuss about cats? Could it be cat lovers fear it will lead to stringent controls over their pet animals?
Why not kick up a fuss over the control of feral dogs? Pigs? Goats? Deer? Camels? Brumbies? Buffalo?
And what have numbers got to do with it? The population of feral animals is always going to be a guesstimate.
The impact of feral animals however may be measured.
vicrev wrote:Wow, a cat as big as a cattle dog...must be evolution gone crazy, Charlie Darwin would be sooo pleased ...........
Wrong Ronk,not doubting the size claims at all,just amazed they can grow so big ......RonK wrote:vicrev wrote:Wow, a cat as big as a cattle dog...must be evolution gone crazy, Charlie Darwin would be sooo pleased ...........
I see no reason to doubt the size claims.
Or the numbers estimates.
vicrev wrote:Wrong Ronk,not doubting the size claims at all,just amazed they can grow so big ......
doogs wrote:I recently read (most of) the Feral Cat Abatement Plan. Quite interesting. In the plan they pretty much admit that it is financially not feasible to rid the country of feral cats. They aren't all bad though, feral cats food of choice is rabbit. Without feral cats what would happen to the rabbit populations?? I do agree that we need rid of them but it is a more complex issue than just getting rid of them.
Interestingly Bruny Island are going through the first steps of completely removing cats from the island, both feral and domestic. It will be interesting to see how the cat luvrs on the island react if it is passed as a law.
vicrev wrote:Maybe the size of these cats, can explain the sightings of the famous Gippsland Pumas ?......
newhue wrote:doogs, cant afford it they say?
newhue wrote:Yeh sorry doogs if you felt like one went over the deck. The ol written word not transcribing the intended tone again. I agree, the problem is large on many fronts, and I don't think we are winning.
I find it rather sad nature is the one who always pays. It's free and in abundance apparenly. Just between feral animals, weeds, and humans its on its knees struggling; but we have plenty of coin for wars and weapons. Well my 10c anyway.
Would not have thought evolving,more like adapting.....maddog wrote:G’day Newhue,
You take a very conventional view of pests and weeds. Spending the defence budget on an ill-conceived and indiscriminate pogrom would at best be an enormous waste of resources (at worst an environmental disaster on the grandest of scales).
The problem is, as others have pointed out, many of these species have become integrated within ecosystems and now essential for their functioning. So much so that it is thought the intruders have assumed the role of keystone species. In the case of predators they control excessive populations and clean the gene pool - the diseased and deformed are the first to go. Dingoes and other wild dogs may play such a role, and we are starting to realise that cats may do the same in a suburban setting or on islands (the benefits are outweighed by the costs in arid zones). Many maligned weed species also provide valuable ecosystem services, such as Camphor Laurel, a food source for many native birds, etc.
Also, in regards to the size of the cats, it would appear they are evolving to fit the niche (natural selection and all that palaver). So, if the animal fills the niche, and has evolved since arrival, at what point do we consider them native?
You know it makes sense,
Maddog.
vicrev wrote: Would not have thought evolving,more like adapting.....
newhue wrote:Na weeds your in it like the rest of us. Maybe I should have said introduced exotic plants, and invasive natives non indigenous to an area. People often overlook Aus natives as being a pest. But there are many natives that are invasive when outside their original local area. Umbrella tree from Nth Qld if fine up there, but in Brisbane it's as bad as a Boganvillia. But that's another thread.
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